Anyone care to have a discourse on HHO and WHY it wont give you incredible mileage?

Sure, you could, but it would be like using waste heat from a motor to turn a turbine that generates electricity which powers the heater. It adds a step which lowers efficiency and is thus rendered pointless. Makes more sense to just dump the unwanted KE into a battery and then use it later.

Well folks, since it be apparent no one is interested in the benefits of HHO for combustion engines, I shall withdraw from posting here. In all these posts I did not see even an iota of genuine interest, most (if not all) are only interested in pontificating on why it will not work, calling it junk science and worse…calling to account my education, etc…too bad.

I was not trying to sell anything, nor will I even in the future…I was only interested in sharing some of the results I have obtained after 5 years of testing with HHO on cars, trucks, generators, etc…so perhaps I can find a more open audience elsewhere. Good luck to you all and thanks for letting me stay for a day.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You came on here and made an extraordinary claim, presented absolutely not one whit of evidence to support it, and then got mad when no one believed you.

This is not a pseudoscience board. We also do not believe in healing crystals, homeopathy, or that vaccines cause autism. The majority of posters on this board are more scientifically-minded than that.

Probably because to be successful at car repair you need to have that mindset rather than just sprinkling glitter over the engine and mumbling some arcane words and thinking that will fix it, y’know?

If you were looking for a cadre of yes-men who would believe anything you say without expecting you to back your claims up with evidence, you were simply looking in the wrong place.

In all these posts I did not see even an iota of genuine interest, most (if not all) are only interested in pontificating on why it will not work, calling it junk science and wors

Some of us have actual college degrees in engineering and science. Some are very qualified and very experienced mechanics…some are both.

You come into this forum with extremely bold claims based on JUNK science. This is right up there with science of Ghosts and Ghost hunting.

.I was only interested in sharing some of the results

What results, only sounded like claims to me. You offered nothing but “I say this happened” never offered any real evidence it did indeed happen.

If faster burning gasoline gave you better mileage, then regular would give you better mileage than premium. The reason I pay 30 cents a gallon more for premium is to get fuel that burns more slowly and does not detonate (ping).

My stock answer when people bring up HHO is to suggest that since they are unencumbered by laws of thermodynamics, they would do better to buy a hybrid car and put a windmill on the roof. The windmill would charge the batteries as they drive, and they would have a perpetual motion car.

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@amos33, I’m not a skeptic. I’m a realist.

^Heck, skepticism is a good thing! Cynicism, OTOH, is bad, because it implies “contempt prior to investigation”…but in all fairness, HHO does NOT lack sufficient investigation of the facts.

All it takes is ONE guy to keep on saying positive things about this …and it will live on and continue. The reason is from what I stated before…Most or many people know just enough about engines to get themselves in trouble. This mis information spreads like a virus, it finds an acceptable host and infects them. The only requirement is that you be open and ready for all the gains available.

I will also bite Amos… and ask a 7th time is it now ? What Year Make and model vehicle is currently benefiting from your HH0 Generator on-board your vehicle? You did say there are no gains in MPG (which was the entire point of the system) This is the first time I’ve ever heard about Smoother, Cooler and Quieter as any characteristic of the HH0 onboard systems.

I have to ask…what was wrong with the temperature that your engine was running was it too high? What was noisy and is now quiet? What was bumpy and is now Smoother? I’m honestly very interested. I want to know…I want to believe…and secretly I want the HH0 to WORK. So please explain before I return to my Armchair for further debunking.

Blackbird

Don’t go away @amos33 {sniff}

I heard it runs....Cooler, Quieter and Smoother. I have to ask...what was wrong with the temperature that your engine was running?

Not sure anyone has mentioned this yet…but you really don’t want an engine to run much cooler…it effects gas mileage and emissions. That one statement Amos made saying his car runs cooler…tells me that he knows NOTHING about cars.

As for quieter and smoother…REALLY? All my vehicles run extremely quiet and smooth.

Those of us that were frequenting this forum ten years ago fielded this same question.
Those of us that are still here ten years from now will still be fielding it.

That’s the first law of human behavior. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. It’s sort of like “dark matter”. You can’t see it, you can’t find it, you can’t measure it, but the math suggests that it MUST exist.

And the math suggests that HHO doesn’t work. I know that isn’t where you were going @“the same mountainbike”, but I had to throw that in there.

@MikeInNH That’s the Placebo Effect. In medical experiments there is always a Placebo group to compare the real effects of the product being tested.

^And even that ain’t foolproof, because most patients/doctors can ID the “sugar pill” due to lack of side-effects. (The group that’s constantly complaining of dry mouth…probably has the “real McCoy.”) Double-blind, my…

And “placebo washout” is a questionable practice, used to artificially increase the efficacy of the drug.

how would a truck run with a wood burning gassifier system?

My Dad reported (from WW2 experience in the Philippines) that you get only about 30% of the power of the same engine running on gasoline.

Interesting , how that there are postings about using wood burning gassifier systems and absolutely no skepticism nor cynical remarks made by the armchair experts on here, but mention HHO and they off to the races :smiley:

Well, gasifier systems are battle-tested (literally!) life savers. HHO is…a late-nite infomercial?
BUT…if you can source a double-blind, peer-reviewed study demonstrating a benefit, post it: it’d be within the forum scope, and I know I’d be fascinated to find something like that out!

@amos33

“Interesting . . .”

What’s REALLY interesting is that a few of us regulars have asked you to explain yourself. Specifically, how your “device” is enabling your engine to run cooler

And you have NOT done so

Feel free to join in some of our other discussions

Perhaps you’ll amaze us and have something useful to say :smiley:

Maybe you can teach us a few things . . . :smirk: