2 Persons died because of Cowboy pursuit mentality

Research OBD lll. This allows insurance companies to record your speed, does on the road emission tests, Police can immobilize, many other features. Cars today make these functions optional. You can install them at your choice. OBDlll will be in all new cars sold soon unless courts strike it down under provisions of 4rth amendment.

No it isn’t. Certain vehicles may have it
but MOST do NOT.

That ship has sailed. That phone in your pocket in conjunction with pencil-whipping FISA court warrants lets them track you whenever they feel like it, including from such requirements as “anyone who was within X miles of point Y whether we think they did it or not.”

Of course, it’s not always fully accurate. I was surprised several years ago to have Google’s location history inform me that I can teleport. I’d been spending the weekend at Road America and it showed me in and around the track as expected, except for several occasions when I suddenly instantly transported to a city about 20 miles away, then instantly transporting back.

I finally figured out that every time I teleported was when I was in the upper paddock near the gift shop, and there was a mobile ATM in a van set up there. I figure the ATM was for a bank in that city, and Google noticed that I was near an IP address registered to the bank and assumed I must be there.

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You can’t fool us. You were driving your DeLorean, weren’t you? :blush:

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And it qualifies as a hybrid since it runs on gas and plutonium!

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Yes
certain apps on my iphone can track (IF I ALLOW THEM TO). You can turn that off.

What I don’t want is the government tracking me for no reason.

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You can, but only to an extent. They can get your rough location (within about 3/4 of a mile) from cell tower triangulation, which you can’t turn off unless you turn your phone off entirely. And there have been documented cases of devices/apps tracking people despite their users having turned that tracking off.

Also, while Google says it doesn’t store information I don’t authorize it to store, it’s not like it would be the first time a giant corporation did the opposite of what it said it did. After all, Google did fairly recently, and very quietly, remove “don’t be evil” from its corporate code of conduct. :wink:

And lots of tech companies have tacit (or more formal) agreements with three-letter agencies to let them see what people are doing on their networks. That’s been true since before cell phones were even popular.

The telcos barf up almost anything the government asks them for, in some cases even without a formal process of judicial review. And, especially since 9/11, the NSA is well known to record not only call location/destination information, but conversations themselves whether phone, email or other. Their data center in Utah can store data measured in exabytes, and the only reason you’d need so much storage is if you were recording a lot of voice/video communications in addition to the metadata.

The unfortunate reality is that you simply cannot live in the modern world without being tracked by the government or large corporations unless you go completely off-grid and live in a log cabin at the top of a remote mountain somewhere. Many of our cars are tracking us too, and in all of the cases of data-vacuuming, it’s not always clear what is being done with that data.

Some is fairly innocuous - they’ll use your car’s black box data if you get in a wreck to find out if you were driving like a moron or not. Some is less so - if your car is tracking your location history and sending it to a data center somewhere, curious parties can get a pretty good idea of what you’re up to even with only location access. For instance, a man leaves his house. His wife’s location data shows that she stays home. His location data shows him going to a drugstore, a flower shop, and then a motel, where the neighbor lady’s location data also shows her going at the same time. This happens several times a month. Not to hard to piece together what’s going on.

And worse than that, they can get a wrong impression of what you’re up to as well. If your location data shows you as being outside a convenience store at the same time someone was robbing it and stabbing the clerk, at least for a little while you’re going to be a suspect even though you were just driving by.

I get it, but why would they drug flowers and give them to out of towners?

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Gotta use those emojis. :man_facepalming:t3:

Huh ! :thinking:

:man_facepalming:t3::man_facepalming:t3: You get two head slaps.

No. About half the apps I use, such as my fitness app and my GPS app, use the phone’s location services.

Sometimes it has to be obvious. :man_shrugging:

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Depending on the phone, you might also want to take the battery out after shutting it down if you’re worried about your location being tracked.

FWIW, that RFID chip in the SunPass/E-Z Pass is usually scanned at the tollbooth, but it could be scanned by other devices as well, such as from a tower next to an interstate that doesn’t charge a toll.

One reason I’m not alarmed by this is that just because the technical ability to track my movements exists doesn’t mean the government will track my movements. The way I live my life, anyone who spies on me will get an eye-full of my naked body, and that’s punishment enough.

One thing I’m stuck on in today’s news is qualified immunity for police officers who violate a citizen’s rights. I’m flabbergasted the Supreme Court hasn’t deemed it unconstitutional due to the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause, but it’s clear the conservative justices don’t actively fear police misconduct during a traffic stop.

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True
but the tracking has to be initiated. Not automatically done. Triangulation gets you to an area. 3/4 mile (or farther - depending on where the towers are) is not very close. Especially in a large city. And as you said - turning phone off blinds anyone from tracking you.

The operative phrase there is POTENTIAL TRACKING. The government is NOT allowed to track you for the heck of it.

Can Police Track Your Cell Phone Without a Warrant? (tylerlaw.com)

Well things have kind of been turned Alice in Wonderland. Back in October we took a little trip to Michigan. Normally I would have driven through Chicago but Chicago had a mandatory 14 day quarantine if you entered the city. So I just skirted the city limits. There was a report that the Chicago health authority had tracked the use of social media to determine that one person had entered the city and not registered. I admit there are a lot of false flags, misinformation, disinformation etc. but the story seemed to be accurate and Chicago was quite serious in controlling their population. In times of apparent crisis, if the tools are there, someone in the gov will attempt to use them.

OR by that tool of the Government in the car right behind you! :crazy_face:

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