Should Car Talk seek out another carrier for their fine program?

Context is that is the cliff notes version of the bill of rights. When and where does fiduciary interest trump all else?

This intolerance on the part of NPR management is inexcusable. Those of us who are on the more conservative side politically are continually told how racist, bigoted, and intolerant we are but let someone appear on a network that the left leaning NPR management has a problem with and express a concern or an honest feeling that they don’t agree with and they find an excuse to fire him. AND THE CONSERVATIVES ARE INTOLERANT!? Could this possibly have happened at a worse time for NPR? This is just what is needed during pledge week, a dust up with a well respected political annalist. Mr. Williams has already been offered a contract with Fox so who’s the loosed?

Yes, I think Tom and Ray should protest not only this incident but also the increasing propensity on the part of NPR to be more concerned with making news than they are with reporting the news.

Sorry but if you are basing your feelngs on Rush limbaugh, or newt gingrich you are part of the problem, not the solution.

  1. No, it’s not, it’s from the Declaration of Independence. The BoR is a wholly different document, written by someone else, 11 years later.

  2. the BoR places restrictions on government’s ability to limit our rights. It says absolutely nothing about private employers.

What I find really interesting here is that the right-leaning people who are all up in arms about Mr. Williams’ firing are the same people who run around screaming like a stabbed pig if “gubmint interferes in the free market.” This is the free market, folks. In the unfettered free market, sometimes people get fired. If you don’t like it, you must be a (wait for it) socialist :wink:

Had me worried there for a minute when you said “bill of rights” (sic)The third document people get confused about. One of our current Supreme Court Justices presented a intriguing viewpoint on the Bill of Rights. He presented the idea that the Bill of Rights prevents the individual states from going to far with “states rights” issues like what we saw tolerated with Jim Crow in the south (did not work to well there I guess) and when the voters get all wound up and vote in state laws that are unconstitutional.

I have no idea as to the context of the “fiduciary interest” line.

Car Talk would be wildly successful on commercial radio and should move there ASAP. The Williams incident is just one example of the political bias routinely displayed by NPR news. It only highlights the fact that there is no longer any need for ‘public’ media in this country. There is no reason for a good entertaining show like ‘Car Talk’ to be associated with this outfit.

This is Car Talk, not Hate Talk. Juan Williams belongs on FOX. Right wingers, go there for your propaganda.

Well, the fringe elements of US society always turn things on their head. It is FOX that is widely biased and NPR was maintaining its credibility and objectivity by dumping Williams, which was a good move. Nice to see FOX is not even pretending to be unbiased anymore, since everyone knows it is not a news outfit but a political organization working on behalf of the right wing / corporate interests.

I agree with VDCdriver: I’m very suspicious that this whole incident was a set up between Fox and Williams to create a tempest in a teapot. I think Fox and Williams accomplished just what they set out to do. NPR did the right thing in firing Williams. (I used to scoff at conspiracy theorists, but many years of observation and experience of/in the real world has taught me that conspiracies abound.)

Car Talk would be wildly successful on commercial radio and should move there ASAP.

If this happens, CarTalk would have to have commercial sponsors. Tom and Ray would then have to endorse products that may or may not be so good. I occasionally used to watch “Two Guys Garage” on the Speed channel that we get on cablevision. I’ve seen the hosts push the device that connects to the battery and is supposed to prevent the car from rusting. There have been other products pushed on this show that I am skeptical about the quality.

I vote for leaving CarTalk on NPR.

I believe Fox Radio would be a good fit for Car Talk. Just as I believe it will be a good fit for Juan Williams. NPR, you are what you do.

What is truly sad is the baseless name calling from both sides in this discussion:

“I’m smart and you’re stupid.” “No I’m not!” “Yes you are!” “Am not!” “Are too!” “Am not!” “Are too!” … ad nauseam.

Tolerance and civility suggest that one should point out where others make mistakes, not that others are mistakes.

If CT did chose to associate themselves with anything connected to Fox it would be considered a downgrade. I watch Fox simply to keep an eye on them but when Hannity or Beck come on I exercise the remote control. I can’t stomach those guys even in a monitoring what they say sense.

Not that “The View” really floats my boat but Joy Behar did say something pretty funny, here is the line, "I think science can explain most things, except one for sure, the reason Sarah Palin is considered “presidential”. Had to laugh at that one. Hey I was in the doctors office and could not change the channel, it is not like I watch “The View”.

Car Talk belongs on NPR. What better place is there for two lackeys?
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When someone admits fear of people dressed in Middle Eastern garb, I think they are admitting fear of the unknown: they don’t know the people or anyone who dresses that way. It’s a shame that Juan Williams was so severely punished for admitting his fear.

I’ve always had a hard time understanding why whites fear young black men. I (your average white guy) have known young blacks through school, church, and work. I’m not scared unless they act strangely.

I was on a church retreat with a local black church of the same denomination. The main thing that we learned was that we had a lot more in common with each other than either group had with poor Ghetto blacks. They understood them no better than we did. I’ve never been frightened by people with a deeper tan than mine, and that seemed to be the main difference. If we can learn more about each other, maybe we can become less hostile. That’s not an easy road, but it will eventually be best for all of us.

It is FOX that is widely biased and NPR was maintaining its credibility …

Come on, anybody with any sense should be able to see, and have enough logic to understand that both networks are biased. And no I am not insulting you! NPR is liberal biased and Fox is conservative biased and they report some news and also try to tell you what they want you to believe. No one can tell which network is “more correct”. When it comes to the news we watch could the channel we choose can be called the “lesser of all evils”? Yes it could.

I enjoy listening to NPR for the classical and blues music but cannot stand the news shows. On the other hand I have tried listening to Fox news on the radio but cannot stand the constant b*******. I have noticed Fox is called Faux News and thats funny but could NPR be called National Propaganda Radio? :slight_smile:

I am not insulting anybody here, just an observation.

My call on the fear of color is that we relate that color to specific traits that we fear. The problem comes when we conclude that all of that color will display those traits we fear.

Do you like being called a racist? I did not think so, today the young are taught that they do not themselves have to commit racist acts to be considered racist, they merely must benifit from a system that gives them an advantage at the expense of people of color, that is all it takes to be a racist. Some say that persons of color cannot be racist because they are not unfairly provided an advantage in life due to their color as “whites” are.

 Personally, I see these as orthogonal -- I think it's entirely possible for someone to be utterly biased in personal opinion and yet still be able to be an unbiased journalist.  But, NPR doesn't see it that way and prohibit people having public opinions.  OK.  Therefore, no, I'm not going to hold it against NPR for canning him.
 I for one am a libertarian, and am quite insulted* that you'd suggest I'm a lefty, just as I would if you suggested I was right-wing.  I am neither.  I for one am a strong, strong believer in freedom of speech.  The sole reason I don't see NPR being in the wrong is because he was a PUBLIC figure of NPR, therefore I can see them not wanting him to go "off message" publicly -- he did, on national TV (about as public as you can get) and apparently repeatedly, with this just being the "last straw". 

 A few side notes -- 1) If one isn't a public figure, I don't think a company has any business saying what that person can say off the job, no matter how publicly (other than preventing them from blabbing company secrets.)  2) I've seen a few claim NPR is politically neutral -- it's not.  I think the actual coverage of news stories is superb in it's objectivity, but really the choice of what news stories they cover is not.  

*Well, OK I’m not offended at being called a lefty. But, still, this whole “left” versus “right” thing is pretty silly, when in a normally functioning electoral system there’s loads of political parties that cannot be summarized along a single axis. Although the US political system is quite broken, the fact of the matter is people’s actual beliefs can’t be summarized along a single axis either.

Do you want to protest against NPR? Have you noticed it’s pledge drive week?