Seafoaming a Beemer

The Seafoam is unlikely to be the cause of the headgasket failure, however there is a lesson to be learned. Trust the welfare of important things to those who have proper expertise or accept whatever consequences result.

This is as true of cars as it is of legal matters or medical matters. Too many people trust the advice of well-meaning friends with important matters.

For the record, additives and cleansers should only be used by those hwo understand how they work, how to properly use them (read the directions!), what the goal is, and what the risks are. Cleansers and additives have their proper place, but that is not generally in a properly functioning engine.

First let me apologize, if you felt like you were being picked on, you came here for advice and our opinions. You, your friend, your dad and your mechanic are not idiots. You have limited car knowledge, not a crime, your friend added seafoam to your engine, and you had a head gasket fail; it?s natural to think one caused the other. It appears your friend also has limited car knowledge, again no crime, I?m willing to bet most people here don?t know a lot about database design, or data mining, but that doesn?t make them idiots. It just means they don’t know much about databases.

Being male or female makes no difference; I?ve seen many a man who couldn?t open the hood of their car, and many a female who could rebuild an engine. So I apologize if offense was given.

As you probably guess by now seafoam didn?t and couldn?t have caused the head gasket to fail. You stated your dad said ?don’t use cleaners of any type in old vehicles because the sludge holds the fluids in.? That?s good advice for the wrong reasons, if sludge is really holding the fluids in, it won?t be long before they are leaking out, the next fluid change would move the sludge away and the leaks will start. I?ve heard this from old timers all the time, but it?s not true.

Now a lot of cleaners can thin out lubricants and can cause damage because the lubricants can?t do their job as well, so if you do use a cleaner you have to read and follow the directions closely, but in most cases there is no real reason to use a cleaner.

Before I would decide to fix the car or not, I would make a list of everything that needs to be fixed and how much it?s going to cost. Like the timing belt, the water pump, clutch, brakes, does the air-conditioning need work, and so on. If the car is basically in good shape and it really doesn?t need much then it may be cheaper to fix this car then get a different one with other problems that you don?t know about, but if you have a long expensive list, it might be time to walk away. If you do have it fixed I?d change out the timing belt (if it has one) and the water pump, just to be safe.

Let us know what you?re going to do with the car, its kind of nice to know what happened in the end.

My opinions are subject to change with new facts.

Wow! Thank you so much!! I’ve kinda decided to put it to rest for a day or two and
let the new info sink in!

I have two very old vehicles that have done me very good service, one the beemer and
the Blazer which is an 85 and an energizer bunny. The Blazer needs some work and
aside from being so rusted out that I leave a trail behind me every where I go, it runs great. I will definately post what I decide.

Thank you all for your help.

Hi Unbeemered - sorry for the hassles you’re experiencing.

I have both a lot of experience with vintage BMWs and with SeaFoam. Generally speaking good experience on both - let me share my thoughts with you.

First of all, “could SeaFoam” have caused the head gasket to fail. I’m going to answer that as “yes and no”. I actually read your post on my laptop while I was at my friend’s independent BMW/Mercedes shop waiting for my 2002 330Ci Convertible to be brought around, so I asked the owner. His answer was “by cleaning action - not likely” but he brought up a potential issue that I haven’t seen anywhere in these posts - excessive oil pressure brought on by overfilling the crankcase. Here’s the issue - your car is designed to operate within a specific range of oil in the engine. Too little and the oil pump pickup can suck air or “cavitate” causing poor oil pressure and bad lubrication and ultimately, engine failure. Too much and a variety of other issues can occur. The one most applicable to your situation is that your engine can build too much oil pressure - air is compressible and fluid, especially oil, is not, too much oil, not enough air and the oil pressure can build up above specification. In an engine without a pending gasket failure, that isn’t a problem.

Which was his point - he thinks that what could have happened is that you had an impending failure - a weak point in your head gasket that was probably already leaking a little coolant into the engine but not enough to be noticable - it was burning off and you never knew. Then, your boyfriend added a large quantity of SeaFoam to your engine and that pushed your oil pressure up just enough to cause the breach in the gasket to open to the point where you noticed it.

About SeaFoam - I use it a lot. I have several small engines I use it in, I use it in my cars, and more. But, the trick with SeaFoam is to use VERY small amounts. In my cars, I use about 3 ounces into a TANK of gasoline. Into the crankcase, I will add 1/2 quart, when the oil level is down to allow adding it, and then I’ll change the oil shortly (250 miles) after. In my snowblower, lawn mower, etc. a capful into the gas tank every 3 or four fill ups. I do and have used it for force-cleaning the fuel injection in a car or the carb in a small engine - you simply inject it into the carb throat of a small engine, or inject about 20 ccs through a vaccum line of the engine. It cleans the engine and makes it smoke like a barbecue for several minutes while it works. Again, the trick with SeaFoam is to follow the label instructions like religion.

Onto “what to do about your old Bimmer”. Your BMW is a what’s known as an “E30” - that covered I think 1983 through 1991 (I might be off by one or two years there) and BMW shipped a LOT of those to the United States in those years - it’s the time where BMW changed from being a boutique performance brand to being very mainstream in the USA and the 3-series car/the E30 was the mainstay of that.

I have three 3-series BMWs - a 2007 328i Sedan, a 2002 330Ci Convertible mentioned earlier, and we have an E30 convertible - a 1991 325i convertible that we bought this fall. The car is fantastic - about 130,000 miles, runs like a champ. But we paid very little for it - $3500. Which comes to my point. I think putting $1000/$2000 out to repair your car probably isn’t a smart expenditure of money. My e30 convertible, at 115k has “everything done” - it had a recent timing belt change, new radiator, new water pump, new hoses, new belts, etc. Compression was solid on all six cylinders and it’s perfect.

I’d say that unless you have a really special attachment to YOUR particular 328e, I’d consider selling it as a parts car to a collector of these - you can probably get $1000 to $1500 for it, and then take the additional $1000 to $2000 and buy yourself a newer version of the car, or a convertible, or some other nice e30, with far fewer miles on it and you’re back in business.

My 2 cents from a SeaFoamer/Bimmer Owner.

Have fun, whatever you do!

They didn’t put a quart of Sea Foam in,I think 12 oz,many engines have been overfilled with engine oil way overfilled (I saw one where the mechanic pinched the F.I. loom with the valve cover,in the days you did valve adjustments,filled the crankcase with gasoline,just drained it out) and the pump does have a relief valve,so the 12 oz overfill causing uncontrolled high oil pressure (sounds like me and my B.P.)doesn’t fly,by the way its a 325e I don’t think there ever was a 328e E-30,plenty of 528-e’s,maybe Joe knows.

Sorry, but excessive oil pressure cannot be caused by adding even a full container of Sea Foam or a full container of engine oil.
No way, no how.

I honestly don’t know why we’re exerting so much wheelspin debating the why on this when her questions in later posts more relate to “what to do now”.

Personally, I do think it’s a bit far fetched that excessive oil pressure could be caused by that, but there’s not much we know - we don’t know how full the crankcase was to start with, how advanced the leak, was, etc.

Both me and my mechanic agreed that her issue probably was already in existence, and it is possible, somehow, that the SeaFoam accelerated things to make it more noticable/apparent. Doesn’t change the outcome.

There are so many good e30s out there, and the value of non-runners in good shape with good salvageble drivetrain, body and interior parts makes even parts cars worth more than $1000, that my advice to her is to sell it for what she can get, and then take that, plus the repair cost and for sure she can buy pretty damn good E30 for not much more.

There are a few real obvious reasons why this theory of an excessive amount of Sea Foam, engine oil, or whatever causing an oil pressure increase and even being faintly considered as a source of a blown head gasket is total bunk.

Anyone want to have at it…?

“have at it”? What, like argue about it? I’d have to care about it first.

I’ve used Seafoam in an old Honda, half a can through the intake, the other half in the crankcase . . . lots of smoke, no engine failure or had gasket failure. Oil change after the Seafoam treatment. The old car has almost half a million miles on it, so my vote is that the addition of Seafoam didn’t cause the head gasket to fail, it was failing and was just coincidence. I’d move on and deal with what I have at present, addressing the reality of what car I had and whether I want to keep it or move on. Rocketman

It’s the B.S. factor Stew,you must expect feedback when you post a, well I will just say a “comment” like your oil pressure bit. Really we try to keep the fiction to a minimum,your welcome to join in,but keep your feet planted,most of us have been around some.

I just assumed that if you’re going to post a ridiculous comment (and I know you are only repeating a comment made by someone else) about increasing oil pressure by overfilling the crankcase then I’m only bringing it up again to make a point.

As Tester mentioned once upon a time (paraphrased); if bunk is posted it will get contested.
Like to know why that overfill = added pressure theory is bunk?

(And before I do, let me ask this. Assume for the sake of argument the oil pressure is 40 PSI and overfilling it with Sea Foam, engine oil, etc. bumps the pressure up to 70 PSI. Are you saying this 30 PSI increase would pop a marginal head gasket?)
Keep in mind, I said for the sake of argument. Not reality.

Hey, what can I say. I attributed my comment to its source (my trusty BMW mechanic), old engines can be quite touchy when it comes to proper oil pressure high or low and … well, I also have personal experience with this, albiet NOT with a piston engine though - a rotary. I inadvertenly over-filled a rotary engine a number of years ago with 2 quarts too many after losing count while doing an oil change (bulk oil). Caused some major issues. So when my guy said this to me, I thought it sounded plausible enough to post up about it. Sorry if you disagree.

Your welcome.

First off, overfilling an engine COULD cause problems if it severely overfilled.
It will not affect oil pressure, period, because the oil pump is only going to inhale what can be pulled through the pickup screen and that depends on engine RPMs.

Second, diluting engine oil with Sea Foam will thin it out and thinner oil will cause less oil pressure, not more.

Third. If one is going to make the totally incorrect claim that a small increase in oil pressure is responsible for a blown head gasket (e.g., 40 PSI to 60 PSI takes the gasket out) then someone needs to explain why:
Static engine cylinder compression readings of 175-200 PSI does not also take out a head gasket.
Why cylinder pressure of 1500 PSI on a running engine does not also take out a head gasket.

We’re to believe that 50 PSI of oil pressure will wipe out a head gasket whereas static pressures of 175 PSI+ and running pressures well in excess of a 1000 PSI does not?
The BMW shop guy is correct when he says the head gasket simply gave up. It was aged and it’s lifespan was over. He is incorrect if he says overfilling the oil causes the pressure to increase.