I don't want my car to lock me out if I leave key in the car and shut the door

On my 2013 Toyota Venza, if I leave my (transponder) key in the car, and shut the door, or liftback, after a minute or few, it locks me out. That’s a deliberate “feature”, that is documented in the user manual.

(BTW, someone I know who just bought a recent model Honda CRV has the same issue. Maybe it is common?)

Why did Toyota think this is a good thing?

There is an even worse problem: On the rear liftback, I don’t even have to shut it for this to happen. After a few minutes, it sometimes shuts itself, and I am afraid to stop it, for fear my hands would get caught.

I’m doing my best to carry two sets of keys, one on a chain around my neck (though I occasionally have to use it so the key battery stays charged). A good thing - it’s happened to me several times when putting groceries in the car through the liftback.

Anyway, is there a fix?

Auto Lock/Unlock 1 - Toyota Venza 2013 Quick Reference Manual

Automatic door locks can be programmed to operate in four different modes, or

turned OFF.

-Doors lock when shifting from Park.

-Doors lock when the vehicle speed is approximately 12 mph or higher.

-Doors unlock when shifting into Park.

-Doors unlock when the driver’s door is opened within 10 seconds after turning the

“ENGINE START STOP” or ignition switch OFF.

Refer to the Owner’s Manual for more details.

Have you checked your owners manual???

EDIT: I just read this, don’t know if it is truth or not…
That is the Auto Lock function and it can only be changed with the Techstream software by a dealership or you can do it yourself with the “home” version if you can get it installed and working correctly. It is available online if you want it for around $20. The dealership would probably charge you $10 if you do it during a maintenance visit.

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Owners manual whats that :roll_eyes: :grinning:

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Isn’t there an audio alarm if you open the door with key still in ignition?

The obvious one is not to leave your keys in the car…

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The rear liftgate closing might just be the gas filled struts are worn out and not holding like they should.

How hard is it to just put the key back in your pocket until you get back in the car ? Good Grief , why do people make things complicated ?

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I guess the only option would be to turn the whole thing off but see the dealer to do that and see if there is another option. Our Acura will not allow the doors to lock with a fob inside. Kind of a problem if trying tock the wife’s purse in the car. Maybe it would actually look on us after a while but never tried it.

On my Pontiac I have just taped a door key on the back of the fuel door. I forget it is there. Gets me into the trunk where the other fob is. Might be easiest just to have a door key made from that one inside the fob if they can.

I’m afraid I don’t believe this, to be blunt. Please tell us exactly what statement in your owner’s manual claims this.

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Keep the key in your pocket/purse at all times.

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The easiest and least expensive fix is training. Make checking for you key every time you exit the car a part of your routine. After locking myself out of my hous a couple times, that’s what I do.

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I actually have read both the quick reference manual and the user manual cover to cover. In many respects, the manual is very incomplete, and/or unclear, about many things.

It typically occurs when I am loading or unloading something bulky and/or heavy in the back, such as grocery bags. While balancing the load in one arm and hand, I clumsily unlock the car and open the back lift with the key with the other, and quickly have to put both the key and the load down, inside the car. (Yes, I could drop the key to the ground instead - but in some cases, that would get the key dirty or immersed in rainwater.)

Sometimes I temporarily just don’t have enough hands to handle the load without putting the keys down.

That there are auto-locking features are clearly indicated in the user manual:

From page 38 of the user manual: “Do not leave the electronic key on top of the instrument panel or near the door pockets when exiting the vehicle. Depending on the radio wave reception conditions, it may be detected by the antenna outside the cabin and the door will become lockable from the outside, possibly trapping the electronic key inside the vehicle.”

From page 39: “The doors may unlock or lock if a large amount of water splashes on the door handle, such as in the rain or in a car wash when the electronic key
is within the effective range. (The doors will automatically be locked after
approximately 60 seconds if the doors are not opened and closed.)”

As near as I can figure, it isn’t water, per se that locks it - it is touching the door handle, possibly on the outside, or some particular spot on it. So - in preparation for opening the door, I touch that handle, and that accidentally activate an auto lock feature.

It is a powered liftgate - it closes itself using a motor, not because the springs are weak. However, I just noticed something on p 39 of the user manual - there is a switch to disable the power back door. It is a bit unclear whether this will do what I want, but I will try this. Part of the problem is that I have not figured out exactly when it activates itself.

Honestly, I haven’t yet truly locked myself out. But I have experimented with the window open, so I can unlock it if it locks itself, and there are a number of conditions where does lock itself. I haven’t even completely figured out what those conditions are. But the only reason I haven’t done so, is because I carry an extra key. As an example, sometimes I accidentally leave the key in the ignition switch, and close the door. So I try to open the door, and touching the handle locks it. Without the spare key I carry, that would be a major problem. On a properly designed car, I wouldn’t need a spare key.

There are many customizations possible regarding locking and unlocking described in the user manual. It doesn’t look from the descriptions that any of them will fix this - though the descriptions are in some cases unclear.

There is one auto-lock function I actually like - it locks itself when the car is taken out of park. But it would be far better if there were no fancy options, if to get this one good feature, I have to risk locking myself out accidentally.

Toyota likes to build a lot of fancy features into their recent vehicles. For the most part, they are more trouble than they are worth. E.g., at some sun visor conditions, a light is turned on - and it stays on after the vehicle is turned off and exited, potentially draining the battery. Again, I chose to replace the donut spare wheel and tire with a full size same type wheel and tire spare. To fit it in the wheel well, I have to deflate it. (BTW I carry two pumps so I can re-inflate it. Two because I’ve had pumps go bad.) But Toyota wheels (which are $300, though I bought one cheaper used) have built in tire pressure sensors - so that activates the cars low pressure warning flags. I could de-activate it by removing the battery - but to do that I would have to demount the tire! Another “feature” is that a lot of the buttons have the same shape. They expect you to take your eyes off to operate the controls. And the first time I needed gas, I had a lot of trouble finding the control to unlock the gas cap cover, because it didn’t occur to me to look on the floor.

Overall, I think simpler non-automatic self-evident features are better than complex automatic ones. The cars and trucks I’ve had before, were all much easier to figure out.

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Not reading everything but can’t you just touch the door handle then to unlock it?

I was about to say what bing said. If the key is close enough to the exterior that you can lock the door from the handle, why can’t you immediately unlock it?

More important, why are you even taking the key out of your pocket in the first place? That’s the whole point of the smart key system.

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I have a transponder key, not what I think you are calling a smart key. I need to insert it in the ignition to start the car.

It isn’t always easy to push the button on the key to unlock the door, when it is still in my pocket, depending on what else is in the pocket.

However, I haven’t tried just touching a door handle to unlock it. I will try. I have tried on the back liftgate, and it didn’t work, but maybe it requires more experimentation.

Maybe I would have loved the earliest Ford Model A’s and T’s. Maybe they had fewer complicated features? :slight_smile: Some of my past vehicles had manual transmission and windows, and I think some had manual steering. I don’t think any had manual brakes. I’d love something akin to a big go-cart.

Safety feature will not allow it. You’ll notice that when our newer cars get under way, they automatically lock the doors. If anyone outside your car without a fob could merely unlock the door by touch while the fob was inside the car then you would not be safe at any stoplight.

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Do you have any idea how many different fob codes there are? By your reasoning I could go to the dealership and steal the car of my choice using my fob.
Yes, a smart key fob does not need to leave your pocket.

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+1
Let’s not forget that the “all technology is evil” groupthink is based on a LOT of incorrect ideas. The recent flurry of thefts of Kias and Hyundais which lack modern anti-theft technology is just one example of that bogus mindset.

Your slacks or shorts don’t have pockets ?

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That information applies to the electronic key/Smart key system. Your vehicle does not have touch sensors in the exterior door handles to allow locking or unlocking the doors from the outside.

For Smart Key systems there are short range antennas in the door handles to detect the electronic key. No Smart Key, no antennas, no touch sensors, you can’t lock the doors by accidently touching an exterior door handle.

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The power back door motor will engage if you begin to manually pull the door down to close. The problem with these; if the supports are weak, the door will begin to lower by itself and the control module thinks you want the back door closed.

The supplier for Toyota’s liftgate and hood supports is Stabilus, you can buy these at O’Reily’s Auto Parts for $40 each.

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+1 … by a lot of the posts we get here, you aren’t the only person thinking along these lines … complexity breeds unreliability.

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