@cwatkin We had a discussion a while ago on computers and I complained about how loud my Thermaltake was. Well one of the two 60mm x 25mm processor fans started to wobble and make noise. I managed to find replacements that are a little slower and very much quieter. I just replaced them both and can hear myself think again. Well worth the $11 each. There were an unbelievable number of fans in the same size available with different specs so finally needed to talk to a techie to get a proper replacement. At any rate thanks for your comments before.