Cqdilla or moderator I think it is censorship to remove my post asking why a thread was deleted


#1

Let us know why http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/2296907/launch-control-officers-lcos#latest was clsed and why my asking why the post was deleted please, been here since waterboy and never seen such censorship.


#2

If your post was at 7:56 p.m. February 19th, it is still there.


#3

@triedaq Actually I posted a question asking why the discussion was closed, and that post was deleted.


#4

Now the post is not closed, curious, please notify me of what terms of service violations were evidently in question.


#5

Deleted my post too.


#6

Ben Franklin possible quote @randomtroll
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.


#7

Got me a little offended now, just so you all know who is now pulling the strings at NPR http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/05/27/130527fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

A large part of the film, however, subjects the Kochs to tough scrutiny. “Nobody’s money talks louder than David Koch’s,” the narrator, Gibney, says, describing him as a “right-wing oil tycoon” whose company had to pay what was then “the largest civil penalty in the E.P.A.’s history” for its role in more than thirty oil spills in 2000.

“PBS is blowing it, and their decision not to air a documentary on the Koch brothers is pretty horrifying proof of it.” http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16538-the-corporate-dictatorship-of-pbs-and-npr


#8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

#9

So when are they going to refer to Al Gore as a “left-wing carbon credits tycoon”?


#10

About the same time they refer to Michelle Bachman for taking mucho bucks in grants for the farm and church, while saying we can’t afford dollars for…


#11

And when Al Gore is worth $36 billion.

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2013/09/koch-brothers-net-worth-36-billion.html


#12

I don’t like the Koch brothers, and they certainly are not honorable, but I think Bloomberg is far more dangerous to a free society and I’m not sure which one has more money.


#13

@jesmed that is a link to the koch brothers, but I always really did like the easier than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to get into heaven. I had thoughts of starting a business, and it occurred to me that every dollar in profit I made was taking a dollar from someone else, now I am not adverse to taking a dollar in profit but if you end up with billions, there are alot of people giving up dollars that the fair market should provide a better alternative to


#14

Bloomberg has only $31 billion vs. $36 billion each for the Koch bros.


#15

Don’t forget that the eye of the needle is not a needle like a sewing needle but rather a tight opening between the rocks. It was quite possible to get a camel through but difficult. But back then of course the rich usually became rich by taking advantage of others and stealing from them. Quite different than a guy that has an idea, raises money, builds a factory, employs hundreds at good jobs, and becomes wealthy as a result. That’s the American capitalist system, not like the British feudal system.


#16

Dont feel too offended,happens to me all the time on this forum-just imagine that you are doing something right,I think some of the posters may have moderating privileges (heard that somewhere along the way) you have never been deleted as quick as I have on a certain forum,I bet-Kevin


#17

Every editor, publisher, moderator, and library director practices censorship when they decide on content. They only call it censorship when someone else does it.

Freedom of speech doesn’t give you the right to be published on someone Else’s dime.


#18

‘Terms of Use’ gives cartalk.com the right to remove any content it wants, rule 3.3.


#19

Gotta agree. Its their board and I think they have been quite liberal in allowing us venting and right turn/left turn manuevers. Sometimes I talk too much and wish they would delete me.


#20

I’m honestly unclear on how any of this - the original launch control post, or asking about it in a separate post, is in any way related to cars. Since this is a car forum, it is not inappropriate to remove non car-related content. I think the moderation here has been more than permissive in what has been allowed, but I completely understand not wanting to clutter up the recent discussions screen with a bunch of posts asking why an off-topic post is gone… Especially when the post in question is not gone.

In addition, this is not your forum, it is their forum. They are not the government, and therefore the first amendment does not apply here. They can censor anything they want, so whether it is censorship or not is irrelevant. Under the terms of the first amendment, you are welcome to set up any medium you want to have your say, but the first amendment does not require the owners of media that does not belong to you to allow you to say whatever you want on their forum.

Having run a number of fora myself, the easiest way to get an admin to roll his/her eyes is to start squawking about your free speech rights in a place where you have none. :wink: