Len Frank and John Retsek had the best car show ever (The Car Show) on KPFK (Pacifica, Los Angeles). They tried to go national briefly. They took no government money and had no ads. It wasn’t the same after Len died, all too young.
After Car Talk went national, an occasional caller would disparage Tom & Ray, but Len & John never went for it, said T & R were knowledgeable but the show was different because the audience was different.