A: When it’s actually a Chevy Blazer, which has been badge-engineered in order to create the new Honda Prologue.
It’s not uncommon to have rebadge vehicles. Been going on for decades.
EV’s are kinda new, so some manufacturers are trying to get into the game now while developing their own which will be introduced later.
Honda did that with “their” first minivan. It was, IIRC, made by Isuzu.
And the Honda Passport…also made by Isuzu.
Their first minivan was made by Isuzu, as was their first 4wd vehicle.
And at the time, Isuzu was at least 40% owned by GM.
One thing I learned while assembling Ikea furnitures(lol) is that the assembly process is important and requires alot more thought and effort than one may assume. It’s more than just “putting it all together”. You may have an end product that looks great, but underneath it are defects because of the carelessness of the assembler.
Dont want to assume that American workers are incapable of quality.
??? LOTS of Hondas made here.
There are a lot of quality furniture companies made right here in the US. Very high-end and cost a lot. But their furniture is made to last generations.
I have several pieces of Ikea furniture, and I don’t think I’ve ever looked at one and thought it looks great. I may look at it and think well, it’s good enough to last a couple of years…
The Isuzu Oasis(Odyssey )was 100% built by Honda. Basically a tall Accord wagon.
Honda ceased being Honda after the Old Man Honda died (1999?). After 2000, I would not touch it with a 10-foot pole. At the moment, the only remaining feasible option is Toyota. Sad…
It’s not about workers - fish rots from the head, and American corp culture is rotten to the core. They all are run by lawyers or - in the best case-scenario - “businessmen”. They are only good at cutting corners thus keeping shareholders happy today. Nobody’s looking further than the next meeting.
If Isuzu’s main business were passenger vehicles, association with gm would’ve killed it.
Im only speaking from my experience with the '2020 Honda accord(last gen with the crab taillights(best accord imo)). It was a solid car. Great design. Drives very smooth on highways. Gets great mileage(37mpg). You get to places very quickly and efficiently with it. Never had any problems other than needing to change brakes.
Im not sure on the latest Accord but I’m sure its solid. Although the new design is a major downgrade.
Have to see what Honda comes up with on it’s own EV platform, this is the Chevy Blazer EV with Honda doing as many design changes as they could, keeping the GM features and parts that they liked. If they come up with a plug in hybrid CRV or CRV sized EV my dad would be more interested.
He’s on his 2nd CRV since 2007 and really has no reason or need to get a new car but if and when they do it wouldn’t suprise me.
I had a 2005 Honda Accord EX V6 with auto trans and I liked it a lot. I traded it in with 187,000 miles for a 2017 Accord EX-L with the I-4 and I liked it a lot too. I sold it earlier this year to my son in law and he thinks it’s great too.
The salesman was enthusiastic about the 2005. He told me that the used car manager commented how well the engine and transmission worked. We currently have a 2019 Odyssey EX-L and it works very well too.
My niece’s 2005 Civic is now approaching 400k miles. Zero issues besides normal maintenance items.
Good for you (and your niece)!
My experience was different. My 2000 (last Honda I bought) CRV - made in Japan! - had a failed injector @32K. I had to fight honda to get it replaced under warranty. @36,200mi, the trans (manual!) input shaft bearing failed, and honda refused to assist with repairs because it was 200 mi out of warranty. Yes, they had legal right to deny just like I have every right to stay away from it. Next day I was driving a 4Runner that my son still drives with 312K.
In my professional capacity, I saw the very same issue with a Civic @93K. Better than 36 but still unacceptable. In contrast, in 1990, my friend’s Acura had a diff failure @180K, and honda (at that time still Honda) replaced the trans no questions asked because “it’s a lifetime component that is not supposed to fail ever”. My neighbor’s 2007 2-days old Civic had an ABS failure. My (other) son’s Civic experienced manual trans failure @160K.
I also ran into really weird “engineering solution” - my last 1998 (sold three years ago) Civic - all of a sudden died in the middle of nowhere. It turned out that there was a typical problem - the harness behind the engine tends to rub against the bracket and blow the alternator fuse. That’s not nice but oh, well. But the charge warning light being on the same fuse is really ford-like ingenuity.
You might want to check eCVT Toyota vs honda designs. If that’s not conclusive, nothing is.
None of the above is particularly exciting but telling me “tough luck” because “it’s our of warranty by 200 miles” broke the camel’s back. Never again.
Because of my background in automotive industry, a lot of people respect my opinion thus avoided honda so that was the most expensive trans honda EVER had. I personally bought six vehicles since then and - guess what? - none of them was honda. And never will be. At the moment, I have three Toyota’s - the 2004 4Runner I mentioned earlier, a 2018 4Runner and a 2021 Rav4 Hybrid. All are perfect.
My dad got all excited about the Passport and was thinking about buying one. I always heard these were not the best cars so I think it was a good thing he passed on that.
Yes, badge engineering is nothing new, especially when the car in question isn’t part of the core lineup being focused on by the automaker. The Chevy/Geo line was a prime example of that with offerings from Suzuki, Toyota, and Isuzu all under a GM brand. Same with the Ford Festiva and others that were just Mazdas…