No More Mazda. New topic about another car

You have to take the emotions out of car buying (and other things in life), at the end of the day the salesman is not going to help you make the car payment and he will not loose any sleep over it, he knows it is a cut throat job, however it is hard to walk away from someone like that, so I understand how you feel…
But chances are you will never meet again, it is not like he helps you once a month, or your financial guy, banker etc, or you buy cars from him regularly… So in car buying… Now if you walked in on his day off and bought the Denali from a different sales person, then that would be a d**k move as you put it…

So go with your gut, what puts the biggest smile on your face, and go buy the one you would if humans were not involved…

PS, still not seeing any duplicate post…

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Buy the SLT from the current seller. It’s a business transaction and you should look out for your best interests. If you want to thank the salesman that is touting the Denali, send friends, neighbors, and relatives to him for possible sales to them.

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A 2019 GMC Terrain Denali with 42,000 miles on it has just as much warranty remaining as a 1998 Toyota Camry, i.e. none. A 2021 with 14,000 miles on it might still have some warranty remaining, especially if sold as CPO. Otherwise, buying a used, out-of-warranty vehicle for $24k plus tax and dealer fees just doesn’t make sense. There are lots of used, out-of-warranty vehicles available for as little as a tenth of that price, and some will give many years of reliable service with minimal repair expenditures.

You forgot to conclude your sentence with- to some people.
To many people, it makes a lot of sense. Especially if that is a make/model/trim level they are interested in owning. You can bet that was ~ 2.5x the price as a new vehicle. So it has significantly depreciated with a lot of life left in it.

First of all, to have any meaning, comparatively, they need to be similar cars, similar years and similar trim. Comparing a sub-compact clown car to an SUV is not realistic- for example.

And anything a tenth of that price is going to be ancient, almost worn out car that is almost guaranteed to be unreliable. You couldn’t get much more than a hoopty around here for $2,400…

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NO!! There will have to be handling fees involved and just not a good idea.

I understand. Problem is those cars you talk about aren’t anywhere near my area. I’ve been to 6 dealerships and most of them pull up the same cars I’ve either looked at and discounted, or driven and discounted. I’m not paying to have a car sent to me. That’s just wasting money in my case.

And again, that 1998 Toyota Camry IS A SEDAN!! Don’t know how many times I have to say I DON’T WANT A SEDAN !! caps for emphasis, not yelling. :slightly_smiling_face:

And what’s a CPO???

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What will that do? What if it’s yes? Or no? I don’t understand how that helps me. Not a car person, so don’t know the ins and outs.

Nice idea. Only problem is none of those people you mention are in the market for a car in the near, or far, future…

Did I mention the dealer is my neighbor, literally right next door? Will he still be friendly if/when I break his heart?

Barkydog - didn’t answer my Q to your comment about seeing if it’s an off lease.
My Q was: What will that do? What if it’s yes? Or no? I don’t understand how that helps me. Not a car person, so don’t know the ins and outs.

So what does knowing if it’s a lease or not do? Just to see the service records? Or something else?

Well, that does change things a little, somehow I had the feeling as I wrote that, that you might know him or something… :laughing: :man_facepalming:

But I still think you should go with the one You like the most, no matter how close to him you might be, you are the one still paying for and driving the vehicle… If you decide on the SLT, then you could always send your neighbor a nice gift card to a nice restaurant or something, or send him a thank you card thanking him for all his help with some cash in it… At the end of the day, he knows (or should) it is just business…

An off lease vehicle to me represents more than likely a trade in not based on vehicle problems and the dealer will have all the maintenance records.

You NEVER do business with your neighbors

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CPO:
Certified Pre-Owned

A term used to describe used cars that have been certified to meet certain standards. CPO programs can help buyers ensure the quality of a used car, as they may include inspections, warranties, and other benefits

The only Toyota Camry around here that fits your criteria (22-26 years old, $2,400) has over 300,000 miles on it.

Why would anyone want to downgrade to that?

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You can say what you want about new vehicles, but it is way more than the fancy gadgets and due das that you will enjoy… My daughter (23) has twin 11" rods holding her back straight, with that she has back issues…
She absolutely loved her 1st 02 Corolla, loved driving my 06 Corolla even better and her current 17 is the best of all for ride and comfort, The Infinity I35 still had a firm sporty ride and handled the curves very well, bla bla bla…
The 23 4wd Tacoma SR5 4wd we test drove, yes my daughter went with me and we took it down some very rough streets with RxR tracks, I hit the bumps and thick steel plates and RxR crossings going faster than normal and the truck took them like a Cadillac, some we didn’t even feel, during the test drive she told me that is the 1st vehicle she had road in that didn’t make her back hurt at all… Now that is saying something about technology, screw all the new fangled safety stuff, all the new fancy dancy Infotainment stuff, the ride alone was worth the price of admission… But all the extra stuff can be nice also…
The 18 Chevy full size 4wd 1500 wasn’t as smooth as the 23 Tacoma…
Also, this thing handles 90 mph like it was doing 50 mph, stable as can be, handled the curves above the speed limit also… There was NO downside to the ride, I can only imagine how the new Lexus and other much nicer vehicles drive and handle…

BTW, my daughter has been wanting a new Rav4 (and her momma/my wifey) for a while, but after riding in the truck, well she said she might make a good truck girl… :laughing:

That’s not exactly a smoking deal for a a car that old and with that many miles

It sounds like where you live, people are charging absurd prices for used cars. Where I live (southern AZ), I can buy a 1997-2001 Camry in good physical and running condition, with less than 200,000 miles for under $3k all day long. And finding one in this condition for under $2500 is definitely doable. In fact, the local Craigslist has several with under 180,000 miles, clear title, no dents or other damage, for under $3k.

And no, I would not recommend buying a vehicle with much more than 200,000 miles. A 300,000 mile car is out of the question, even if being sold for less than $2k.

In fact, I have been watching a 2003 Dodge Caravan with the 4-cylinder engine, which someone posted on the local Craigslist a few weeks ago. It has 170,000 miles, no body damage, and is said to run well. Initially, they were asking $3k, later lowered to $2800, then $2500, now $2400. If I needed another vehicle, I would jump on this. A Caravan is a very comfortable vehicle, and the 4-cylinder models offer excellent fuel economy, performance, and reliability.

Forgive me, on that 2.4L having excellent performance, does it have an add on turbo with 17 psi of boost?? I don’t call 1/4 mile times in the 19 sec range performance… lol
The rest of the stuff is pretty good though, just not the performance part…

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That sounds very underpowered for a van

Were I to buy a van, it would be because I need to haul stuff, so I think the 4-banger wouldn’t cut it