Karmann Ghia

You need to service your points better and you’re also missing something in regards to points, electronic ignition, and spark plug longevity.
We’ll see if you can figure it out.

Oh…I’m sorry…I forgot you’re the AUTHORITY on ALL CARS EVER MADE…You really need to grow up

Mike, I do know different cars have their own quirks. But, I looked up in the book listed above, p88. Muir says part of the tune-up every 3,000 miles is checking and filing the points, and doing so, they should last around 12,000 miles, or four tune-ups.

In CHANGES, he says the new tungsten points means no more filing, and to just replace them if they would otherwise need filing. No idea how long they would last.

As far as your 1:22 comment, I have followed OK for many years, and he has never said he knows everything about every car. However, he has worked on a lot of different cars in his lifetime. So, if you were telling him to grow up, I find that very offensive.

I’m not offended because I consider the source. The rhetorical question still stands about the contact points/electronic ignition/plug longevity though.

You made a statement about the above and I’m just wanting to see if you are aware of the difference in plug longevity.

(For what it’s worth, I used to commute 160 miles a day (near 200 when it rained and the highway flooded) and most of that commute was either on a contact point motorcycle or a contact point Subaru. Do the math on the miles per week. Sometimes I would brush the points up a bit around the 15-20k miles mark and replace them around 30k miles. With the Subaru it was not a matter of not having points. During Subaru’s Obsolescence Program the parts rep tossed out an entire box of new ones so I had about 20 sets I fished out of the dumpster when he wasn’t looking.)

Mike, I do know different cars have their own quirks. But, I looked up in the book listed above, p88. Muir says part of the tune-up every 3,000 miles is checking and filing the points, and doing so, they should last around 12,000 miles

Isn’t that EXACTLY what I said…10-15k miles for points…Most mechanics never filed the points…they’d just change them out…They were cheap enough (Less then $10). You had to remove them anyways to do the filing (that is if you didn’t want to get any filings inside the distributor cap).

As for OK…that was a PERSONAL attack to me…That’s his way of trying to belittle me or to win an argument…that and trying to prove something by LYING about something I’ve said (done that at least 3 times in this forum). Trust me from the e-mails I received from several posters here…I’m NOT the only one who sees it.

As for WHY plugs last longer…

Yes I do understand…Electronic ignition has a higher voltage thus allowing the use of a wider gap…this gives a more efficient burn with a leaner fuel mix…and thus less deposits on the plug…This allows the plugs to last longer.

One of my first electrical engineering (started as a EE major before I switched to Computer Science) classes in college my college professor held at least 10 different patents (while working at Chryco) on electronic ignition systems. We spent 4 weeks and even had one 6 hour lab working with different ignition systems.

Where is the Czarina when you need her? Umpire request!

It’s perfectly fine to debate the (contact) points on the facts, but this ad hominem stuff (overt, or more discreet) is unacceptable. Clearly the argument has turned into an emotional and personal one, and it has to stop. I’ll delete all other personal attack posts.

If you actually look at the posts…I ONLY respond to OK AFTER he personally attacks me.

No, I did look at the posts, and while it was not acceptable for ok4450 to attack you, it was certainly not OK for you to respond as you did. I was calling both of you out on it. The wisdom of my 2nd grade elementary teacher stands the test of time: Two wrongs don’t make a right, and they certainly don’t answer the OP’s question.

“The wisdom of my 2nd grade elementary teacher…”

Weren’t we supposed to learn that in Kindergarten?

Thanks, cd. I appreciate your thoughtful attention.

Good control him from attacking me every time I post and the lying about things I NEVER said…and I’ll be happy.

Mike, attack posts are one thing, but lying about post content is another. There’s nothing wrong with saying you were misquoted, but when somebody insults you, the answer is not to insult back. If you feel the rules of the board are being broken, please, please, please use the Report button. There’s only a couple of us who monitor the board, and we can’t be on it 24/7, so this helps us to be alerted to problematic content more quickly, rather than when we stumble upon it long after the fact. Also using the @cdaquila works sorta like the Bat Signal, and I get a notification you’re talking about me.

@jtsanders, I should have gone to your school! Maybe I wouldn’t be working for this outfit…

Maybe someone needs to point out where I attacked anyone. A statement was made about contact points, elec. ignition, and spark plug longevity.
I simply asked Mike what he based that assertion on. Twice.

The short answer is that plug life improved with electronic ignition not because of the source of that spark but because at the time of elec. ignition phase-in (starting in '74 and pretty much a done deal by the very early 80s on all vehicles) coincided with the phase out of leaded gasoline.

Unleaded gas is what led to longer plug life, pure and simple.

Speaking of attacks, I’m not even upset when Mike referred to me as a stereotypical dumb redneck Okie a couple of years ago.
“Oklahoma. It figures.” was the comment that was thrown at me.

Let me add this in regards to the snarky comment about being an authority on all cars, etc.
Anyone who follows any of my posts knows full well that I have started many posts with the following"
“As far as I know…”
“I’m not familiar with this make or model of car…”
“I’ve never done this process before but…”
"The problem could be X. Y, Z… "
“My advice may not help much but…”
“My best guess…”
“There’s not enough info known to make much of a guess but it could be X, Y, Z…”

There’s others but that gets the ball rolling.
I consider myself competent with a number of makes of which I have a considerable amount of experience on and fairly decent on others in which my experience is limited.
With general mechanical principles I also consider myself competent based on experience.

I have pets and play a little guitar by ear. There’s a reason why I don’t give out advice on a pet health forum or why I don’t teach music theory. Many pets would not longer be with us and any music students would have since dumped their instruments.

ok4450, what I found troublesome was in the post about the plug longevity, was the ending of “We’ll see if you can figure it out.” It read like a dig to me, and I assume others. Mike then reacted the way he did, which included a lot of (real or perceived) old history that had nothing to do with the question. I’ve read a lot of your posts and I think what you say is true about the way you preface them. Oh, well. Let’s just move on, shall we? Sounds like you’re ready to.

Mike, attack posts are one thing, but lying about post content is another. There’s nothing wrong with saying you were misquoted, but when somebody insults you, the answer is not to insult back.

I would agree if it wasn’t done SO MANY TIMES…And he has misquoted me in the past…and when I called him on it…and even pointed to the misquote…then a couple days later he does the exact same misquote…knowing full well that I had pointed out to him that he misquoted me…At that point it’s a blatant LIE…Then 3-4 months later…he uses the same misquote/lie again.

One Guy Is Almost Always Very Helpful To Those Posing Questions.
The Other Guy Is Sometimes, But Often Times Shoots From The Hip, Even Shooting His Own Foot Or Those Of Others. I Can See Why There Exists Some Controversy.

CSA

Spoken by another guy who on MORE THEN ONE occasion misquoted me and several other people in the forum so they THINK they can win a discussion. Many many times arguing against something no one ever said. You guys take classes on this stuff??

I have no problem with a good argument…but I don’t like it when people like CSA and OK start arguing against something I (or others) NEVER SAID…or misquote just to prove they’re right. And I’m NOT the kind of person to back away when someone attacks like that…

@cdaquila

The reference was to “All I Really Need To Know I Learned in Kindergarten” by Robert Fulghum. It had nothing to do with you teacher’s instruction.

What Was Your Question ?
Oh Yeah, Something About A 64 Ghia . . .
:wink:

CSA