Indicator lights don't come on

I have a 2001 Pontiac Grand Am SE.

All the lights on the instrument panel come on except the indicator lights. I can see the mileage, RPM, temperature, speed, and fuel level. But lights like the turn signal lights and high beam lights don’t display on the dashboard when I use them. Even my seatbelt not on light not showing.

My turn signals work and high beam lights work. Hazard light switch also works. It’s just that when I use them, the indicator lights on the instrument panel don’t come on.

It could be one of two things.

Either there’s a problem with the BCM, or the instrument cluster.

Tester

Is there a fuse for the indicator lights?
Or light bulbs on the back of the instrument panel? All of them can’t go out at the same time?

Yes.

But if that burned, the indicator lights wouldn’t work.

Yes.

But what are the odds of those bulbs burning out at the same time?

Nil

Tester

This problem is so weird. I can see everything on the instrument panel, all lights work.
When I use the left and right turn signals, the lights on the outside of the car work but the arrow lights on the dashboard don’t come on.
My “seatbelt not on” light not showing.
My high beam light not showing on the instrument panel even though it works on the outside of the car.

I see there is a fuse for Parking Lamps. Should I change it?

The instrument panel has 2 different light bulbs on the back of it, 194 and 74. Which light bulb type controls the indicator lights display?

None of those things are the problem.

The two things I pointed out to you probably are.

Tester

Is there a fuse for the body control module or instrument panel that I can just change and fix this problem?

How come my other lights work on the instrument panel? I can see the miles, RPM, temperature, speed and fuel level. All gauge lights work. If there’s a problem with instrument panel, it should affect all the lights on it.

I read somewhere that maybe the wires for the instrument panel are bent or not positioned correctly?

Or the 194 or 74 light bulb sockets getting loose?

That’s how BCM’s/instrument clusters sometimes fail.

How old are you?

Tester

Ok, I’m sensing a negative attitude from you. I didn’t even say anything bad and you’re trying to mock me by asking my age. Age is not important when it comes to fixing cars. Knowing how to fix cars does not depend on someone’s age. Lots of people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s who don’t know how to fix cars.

I was asking about other possibilities. In life and especially in car mechanic world, it is very good to be open minded because the problem could be things totally not expected. So don’t be so sure and fixated on what you think the solution is.

Really nice way to make a statement then immediately ask someone’s age, huh?

Try to help some people? :roll_eyes:

Tester

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You can help people by being nice and open minded to all the possibilities to every single problem. Just don’t add a dose of arrogance and stubbornness to it.

I’ve been nice in this entire thread but yet you decided to mock me by asking my age in a condescending way.

I’m ready for your apology.

Remove the instrument cluster and try to replace the bulbs, I think you will find that they are LEDs and not replaceable.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/find/2001-pontiac-grand-am-instrument-light-bulbs

Tester

You have a few things not working that the BCM controls, if the fuse to it was blown then none of the things it controls would work… If the picture goes out on your TV but you still have sound, then the power to the TV is still good, or nothing on your TV would work, make since??

Mr Tester is pretty damn smart on these things, I am sure if there was, he would have mentioned it…

But you are more than welcome to replace every bulb and fuse on the car, since you didn’t like the answers given to you…

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Do you have access to the car’s wiring diagram? This will be very hard to solve by changing parts on a hope. A Chilton’s / Hayne’s aftermarket repair manual, relatively inexpensive, & will at least show the approximate wiring diagram. Your owner’s manual may provide some useful info about the fuse configuration. If you don’t have that, you might be able to download an electronic version. Disclaimer: I’m just a knucklhead diy’er but expect Tester 's ideas above are probably where to start.

I wasn’t going to make another post in this thread but I just got this feeling that someone really needs to learn a valuable life lesson.

I asked about other possibilities like fuses and light bulbs but you totally ignored them. Because you seem to “know them all”. Yes, you may know a lot about cars but in the car mechanic world, the solution to every problem could be anything, even totally unexpected. So don’t be stubborn and fixated on your solutions because there are also other possibilities.

Instead of considering my ideas, you totally ignored them then decided to mock me by asking my age in a condescending way. Nice way to make a statement then immediately ask someone’s age, huh?

So here is what I did to fix this light problem. I checked all the fuses related to the instrument cluster by pulling them out and giving them a visual inspection and then a fuse tester just to make sure. Didn’t find anything so moved on to the next “cheap fix”.

I spent some time to take out the instrument cluster to check the light bulbs on the back of it. Four T5 sockets holding 74 light bulbs. Four T10 sockets holding 194 light bulbs. I spent a little money for some new light bulbs and sockets and played around with them by “testing” things out. Until I eventually found the problem to be the twist lock light bulb socket not making good connection to the instrument cluster.

This is the kind of result you get by considering all the different solutions to a problem. Not telling someone “None of those things are the problem.” in an arrogant way, followed by asking someone’s age to mock them.

If I had listened to you, how much would I have paid for a new instrument cluster or BCM?

The name is Tester, but I don’t think you do a lot of “testing” (CONSIDERING) ideas for possible solutions. I am more of a “Tester” than you will ever be.

Nope, for this car, it is twist lock removeable light bulb sockets.

And I’m more than welcome to have found the solution by doing exactly that.
Well, not replace every bulb and fuse, just the not working ones.

Glad you found a solution with the considerable effort it took to do so. Also, note that when possible solutions are affected they are meant to be things you consider, not an identification of the problem. While your light problem didn’t cost much in parts, it would have cost a bit if you paid someone to do it. Stop back and share your experience in solving car problems with others. It would be good to have you here.

I, and presume most posters here, w/a few exceptions, consider this an opinion forum, just educated guesses . And maybe not very educated. It’s a good call on OP’s part to not take what’s posted here as guaranteed fact, unless the poster offers a guarantee.