Every example you give is valid, but I don’t see a correlation to the statement that burning less gas costs more money.
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In 2018 I bought the cheapest new car sold in the US, a Nissan Versa S sedan, manual transmission. $11,500 total out the door including all fees. 41,000 miles so far averaging 41 mpg. Maintenance has been only oil changes which I do myself, and 1 set of Michelin tires for under $400. Insurance under $400 per year. I don’t think there is a more economical new car. Electric isn’t a good option for me because I’m off grid solar.
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I want prime rib instead of chicken strips because it tastes better. It costs more money.
I want to fly first class instead of coach because it’s more comfortable. It costs more money.
I want a Tesla instead of a Corolla because I don’t want to buy gasoline. It costs more money.
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Recharging is less convenient than buying gas and it has to be done more often. Electric cars will not prevail in the marketplace short of government mandates unless they cost less money. When you compare a Tesla and a Corolla, you are also comparing apples and oranges. Yes, The Tesla is more luxurious, so is any gasoline powered luxury car. Comparing a gasoline economy car to am electric luxury car just confuses the issue.
Exactly where is this “luxury” in a Model3?
Car and Driver took a close look, they found a shockingly plain interior and cramped, uncomfortable, rear seats suitable only for children.
The also found the fit and finish to be, well, needs improvement.
The M3 does have a leather interior…“Vegan Leather” that is…formally known as polyurethane…aka plastic…lol!
Anyone that seriously believes the M3 is a “luxury car” is a victim of an A+ marketing team…hats off to Telsa marketing in convincing buyers an M3 is a luxury car…great work folks!
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The Model 3 has no instrument cluster, gauges are located on the center display.
Is this the future for luxury cars?
“Some critics have complained that Tesla’s interiors have been too minimalistic. They aren’t as upscale as those from other luxury automakers. Tesla has addressed that concerned, and with the Model 3 — base priced at $35,000 — the expectation for a lush and pampering interior isn’t as high.”
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Base price for the Model 3 is now $47,000 and you get nothing more than when it was $35,000.
Let’s not talk about tire wear on these things…lots of sub 15,000 tire replacements, Tesla says expect 20k to 30k if you drive like an old man…heavy foot, good luck getting 10k.
My first set of rear tires were worn totally smooth in 16,000 miles.
Telsa recommends using tires designed for EV’s. For the Model3, that tire is the Micheline Primary MXM4 at $305 each!
You’re putting words in my mouth, pretending that you know what I’m trying to say, and placing value judgements on simple facts. Prime rib costs more than nuggets, first class costs more than coach, and Teslas cost more than Corollas. Those are simple facts, you can’t argue about that.
Now why I may want those things are solely my opinion, and surely you can’t presume to pass judgment on why I like one kind of food over another, or why I like one brand of car over another? To look at things from my perspective, I just can’t understand the people who have nothing better to do with their lives than to drive to Costco and wait in line for gas just to save chump change when filling up their car. But it’s their time and their money, their decision.
And I don’t want to subsidize your desire to have effective public transportation by spending tax dollars on trains, light rail, and bus transportation when what we need are more and bigger roads. But we don’t always get to decide for everyone else.
Nah. I can’t fill my gas tank at work or in my garage at home, but with an EV or plug-in hybrid I can charge quite easily. True, it has to be done every day, but so does charging my smart phone and laptop, and plugging in a car is just as easy.
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And, plug-in hybrids–such as the one that I am ordering–can be recharged overnight from a regular 120V outlet.
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Everybody has an opinion. Thomas sowell said that there are no solutions to problems, just trade offs. Ya wanna end nasty oil and nuclear? The trade off is freezing in the winter, food shortages, lack of mobility, and maybe eventual revolution. Just trade offs, no solutions.
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I NEED MORE ICE!! My drink is getting warm. 
Seriously though, I think they are putting the cart before the horse.
we need to fix our roads and bridges first. they have been saying they are going to fix them for years. if there are no roads it does not matter what you drive.
On long Island the LIE was so bad with potholes when I left that I have driven off road and it was smoother.
We need to upgrade our electrical grid to handle all the EV’s they want to have. they also need to protect it from really strong solar flares. I also think they should stop trying to force EV’s down our throats or making it mandatory in a certain number of years.
EV’s may be the way of the future, but it should be up to the individual to decide when they want or can afford one. if they are so good everyone will eventually transition over to them. right now, I think hybrids are a better option to get people use to it and you have gas when power is out. well, thats if you can get gas. LOL
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If you ever drove one you’d know the Model3 is significantly more comfortable then the Corolla.
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Ther is federal money allocated for that now. They don’t actually spend it, they allocate it to the states and they spend it. I hope your state spends it wisely.
In my old state of NY, I doubt it. just like the NYS lottery was originally supposed to go for school taxes and to fix the roads. now in Florida the roads are a night and day difference.
If you are saying the roads are better I think that since Florida does not have freeze - thaw -freeze cycles might have something to do with that.
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To return–more or less–to the thread’s stated topic, here is an interesting article about Lithium:
I’d use the old main stream media term “without evidence”. It was 30 degrees here in October, so if true give me some more of it. And the corn crop would thank ye. 
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They did/do that in IL. Cut the school funding by the revinue generated by the lottery. Win for the general fund, break even for the schools
“All the lottery money will go to fund schools.”
That as a con job to sell the gullible, especially the states teachers unions on state sponsored gambling.
All of the lottery profits do go to funding the states education budget, but since the lottery profits are minuscule compares to the education budget that only means that less money has to be taken out of the general fund. For some reason, many teachers thought the lot†ery money was going to go to schools on top of the budget and a teacher friend of mine was part of a group that tried to sue the state.
That same friend also refused to sell his car to his son for $12000 because he thought the $18000 tax deduction he got for donating his car saved him $6000.
He did not understand the difference between a credit and a deduction. He was a math teacher !
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