I hope they can put Humpty back together again.
It is not clear who is paying for the labor. If Honda is going to pay for the labor and replace any broken parts, I would be tempted to negotiate this off the price of new engine and just go ahead and replace the engine. For me, it would be worth the difference for a new engine.
The independent shop may be great at rebuilding engines, or they may rebuild an engine the way I rebuild my lawnmower engine (of course, I’m not really motivated to do the greatest job since I hate mowing).
Please let us know if the engine was or nor seized up or was something broken ie the tining belt.
We have ridden your train this far, and you report:
"UPDATE: The Independent Shop broke it down as instructed by Honda Care. The shop could still not find the cause of failure, the Honda Inspector went over every inch with the mechanic and confirmed the mechanics findings."
Could the shop FIND THE FAILURE? That is, WHAT was the failure? At least, what was the product of the failure?
Part of automobile ownership entails such things as checking the oil yourself every week or two. The dipstick is the visual clue you go by. In this case the oil puddle of oil on the garage floor was another visual clue. It’s the car owner’s responsibility to make sure their vehicle has oil in the crankcase, fuel in the tank, and air in the tires. I don’t see how Honda is in the least bit at fault here, and I doubt they are obligated to do anything for you. If the oil change place left the oil plug loose then you likely have better luck with them. If there was no evidence of oil starvation in the tear down of the engine, you may have dodged a bullet, but it’s extraordinarily rare for an engine that has been run very little/no oil to emerge unscathed.
Because the part first affected and the failure of this part stopped further “signs” was the cams, sieze a cam and the next type of damage you will see will have nothing to do with lack of lubrication, it will be called “sudden impact” type damage
This post made me want to ask if anyone knew the models that did not use beairing inserts for the cam to ride on, just head mterial is all,I saw one of these type sieze at inital startup after a job that required cam shaft removal.It was a 4 cyl is all I remember
My only question is this quote from Jacinta:
"If the repair shop AND Honda’s own inspector submitted a report that said, “There is no rhyme or reason why the car failed”. How can this be our fault? "
If the Honda inspector really said that he has no idea why the car failed, then he has no way of proving that it was Jacinta’s negligence, and therefore I think Honda should honor the warranty.
I’d like to see the exact quote of what the guy said, though, before I say that for sure.
Why bring this tread back up? It’s been 8 MONTHS!!! Please let it go.
Cars don’t always have the same gauges. There may be an oil pressure gauge or light and or an oil pressure gauge or light.
It is YOUR responsibility to check the oil level from time to time. It may not be listed in the owner’s manual, but it is your responsibility just as stopping and yielding at stop signs.
I suggest you read your owner's manual cover to cover. I suspect you have missed a few things. like the fact that the oil life indicator is an indication of when the oil should be changed not when it is low.
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I really doubt that the OP has been wordlessly lurking on this site for the past 8 months, waiting for someone to chime in again.
Why revive a thread that the OP allowed to die?
"It is YOUR responsibility to check the oil level from time to time. It may not be listed in the owner’s manual, but it is your responsibility just as stopping and yielding at stop signs. "
100% agree. I suspect that somewhere in the Pilot’s manual is a statement that you should check your oil.
Out of curiosity, I just looked in the manual for my Mazda6. On page 4-5, they have operating instructions on what you should do before starting your engine. They state:
"Before getting in:
- Be sure the windows, outside mirrors, and outside lights are clean.
- Inspect inflation pressures and condition of tires.
- Look under the vehicle for any sign of fluid leaks.
- If you plan to back up, make sure nothing is in your way.
NOTE: Engine oil, engine coolant, brake/clutch fluid, washer fluid, and other fluid levels should be inspected. See Maintenance, Section 8."
Only after that does it even get on to instructions to get in, adjust seats/mirrors/steering, and THEN start the car.
Personally, I think its ludicrous to suggest you have to check your fluids every single time you use your car. But I think it is silly not to check them every time you fill up with gas. It only takes a minute.
I didn’t. I read the forum via the recent-discussions function. It showed up at the top. Someone else revived it.