Oh, definitely. But I think that’s an “if” rather than a when. Like I said, there’s only so much power you can cram in a battery, range vs charge time. Just like there’s only so much efficiency you can squeeze out of a gas engine. Otherwise, we’d all be driving 40 mpg, 400 hp v8’s, grinning like fools, and not having this conversation.
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I disagree. The early 20th century Baker had a short range, but so did ICE powered vehicles at the time. EV range has improved to over 300 miles on a charge, and over 400 on some vehicles. Now that there is significant economic incentive to increase charge density, the range should improve even more. Tesla is building a charging network designed to allow unlimited travel. It pretty much exists almost everywhere (see below). Other networks will become prevalent to do the same. ICE cars will be around for a long time, but EVs will become commonplace too.
I agree with this assesment. There will be a place and a need for both for a very long time.
Even if every ICE disappears, the need for oil will not. So much of modern life depends on petroleum products. Far more than many realize.
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You could be right. I can see them catching on in metro/urban areas.
I really didn’t word that well in what you quoted out of the original post. I believe the idea that EV’s will replace ICE’s will eventually pass.
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What happened to external combustion engines? Seem to recall someone was going to bring back coal.
Leno has a few, but I think his are kerosine fueled.
With those long trips, I would worry more about recharging myself rather than the car. 16~17 hours(NYC to Orlando) in a car straight through is not my idea of a trip. I definitely can’t fathom the idea of 41 hours straight driving from NYC to LA
John, this would be true unless government(s) don’t put their thumb on the scale, and that will certainly happen. California has already banned the sale of new ice cars effective 1/1/2035. To get rid of those cars already on the road, they will simply pass a law saying that, effective ??/??/??? registrations for existing ice vehicles will not be renewed.
I bet that won’t happen, poor folks won’t be able to afford EVs and chargers for years to come.
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Here is some information from Jay Leno’s Garage about his Steam Car Collection…
And here is some information about the Stanley Steamer and not the carpet cleaners…
http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/FAQ/PointedQuestionsDirectAnswers.htm
They’ll figure it out once they have no choice.
Says who? Battery technology/capacity has more then tripled in the past 10 years. I personally know of 4 different startups working on new electric storage devices that are less then 30 miles from my house. Investors are putting BILLIONS into these startups all around the world. It’s not a matter of IF but when we’ll see 1000 mile battery life on a single charge.
I suggest you do some research…fast charging is already hear…and it’s getting better. Graphene batteries can fully charge in less time then it takes to fill a 15 gallon gas tank.
Again…do some research. The net savings of energy with electric vehicles is far less then with ICE engines. And lets not forget that we can drastically reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Far far less polluting. And then there’s the overall cost savings.
What I’d be concerned about is range. If that’s tripled in the last ten years, then ten years ago the range was absurd. According to what I’ve read, right now the combined range varies between vehicles from 110 miles to 373. Strictly highway mileage is less. That range is the epa rating for a new car with new batteries and would only drop over time. City mileage would be better, and I can see an EV being useful in the city.
Do any EV’s come equipped with graphene batteries currently?
Far, far less polluting? I don’t see how EV’s will do a ton to combat “greenhouse gases”if the grid that charges the majority of the EV’s is on coal or natural gas. I know, I know, they’re investigating billions in windmills and solar, but that’s not new.
I think about the discussions we had when I was in college in the early 1960s as to whether the transistor would replace the vacuum tube. The Regency corporation in 1954 had come out with a 4 transistor radio with a price of $49.95, quite a chunk of change for the time. Sometime in the early 1970s, I bought a new transistor radio equivalent of the Regency radio for $2.95. There is no question that the solid state circuitry replaced the vacuum tubes.
I remember in the early part of this century when I first saw a flat screen television. It was priced at $5000. Now, you can buy a flat screen television with an even larger screen for less than $300. I don’t think the old cathode ray tube televisions are even available today.
My guess is that the EVs will replace the internal combustion engines just as the solid state circuitry replaced the vacuum tube or the flat screen tv replaced the tv sets with the cathode ray tube.
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The Tesla wall connector is “only” $500 (without installation) which is cheaper than some other ones. It will work with various size circuits and with a 60 amp line will charge at 48 amps and will give 44 miles of range per hour for a Model 3.
My wife and I had a three hour trip yesterday in our Model 3 and after about 2 hours we stopped at a Tesla charger for a “top off.” Since we did not have to stand at the car during this, we both went into the gas station’s mart and used the restrooms and bought sandwiches (not so good!). We ate them and came back to the car and left before it was totally charged. We wasted no time in the process (and got no gas on our hands).
Today at home I charged from 28% to 80% in about 4 hours with my 48 amp (60 amp breaker) charger. Most cars recommend charging to 80% for usual activities and higher if needed for long trips.
We’ll see how things progress but it sounds like they’re only focusing on new vehicle sales, at least in the UK they’re going to allow new Hybrids until 2035. Possibly at some point they might just not allow registrations to be renewed but at the moment there’s already an exemption for 40yr old cars from inspection and vehicle tax requirements in the UK.
I don’t live in Texas, so I have a stable electrical grid at my disposal.
That strikes me as a personal problem, not a systemic one.
Not yet…but they’re working on it. The point is you made the statement that you’ll NEVER own an EV. That statement tells me that you don’t expect things to change. I won’t buy and EV NOW…But in 5-10 years from now…maybe. Have to wait and see.
Thanks for proving my point. 10 years ago you’d be lucky to get over 100 miles on a charge. Now you can easily buy a vehicle that’ll go over 300 miles on a charge.
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this may be a dumb question but is there any surge protection built into a electric car for when you are recharging on the road? like you would on home electronics. is it even needed?
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