The price of Lithium

The New York Times reported today that the price of Lithium has dropped 20% from January until today. This should result in a lower cost for batteries and a consequent reduction in the cost of electric vehicles.

I would not count on them passing the savings onto us, the consumers… The corporate Execs are probably already counting their higher end-of-year bonuses due to the greater profits…

The price of lithium has increased by 900% since the end of 2021 so a 20% drop is nothing.

Tesla has been dropping the price of their cars for at least the last 6 months.

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I have noticed the price of many things dropping so maybe this inflation is about over with. That includes food which hasn’t really gone down in price but certain items are perpetually on sale now at price more like they used to normally cost.

Copper is another one dropping. That is used in both electric cars and the infrastructure used to charge them.

Here’s the last 5 years, in Chinese Yuan/ton. As mentioned above, the recent dip is after a huge increase:

It’s not the Lithium price that is allowing the price to go down… Tesla cut prices for some of its Model Y and Model 3 vehicles in the U.S. for the sixth time this year to juice demand as competition among electric-vehicle makers heats up around the world. Tesla has slashed prices in numerous markets worldwide to stay ahead of legacy U.S. competitors such as Ford Motor while it strives to catch up with various Chinese automakers.

It’s all Market Economics. Like when Walmart moves into a new market location, the lower prices drives the competition out of business, or they get a much bigger market share…

That contradicts your own post…

I agree that competition is EV driving prices down. I disagree that this will result in higher profits for execs.

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Waiting for other type of batteries to hit the market.

Solid State Battery Tech For EV Cars: Challenges Lie Ahead (motortrend.com)

Are Graphene Batteries the Future? (azonano.com)

Lots of discussion about lithium, today’s WSJ has an article about the ā€˜nickel pickle’, the issues around producing nickel, which accounts for more GHG than lithium production.

No, it’s all smoke and mirrors… The prices dropped so Tesla can grab a greater market share, make their cars more affordable, not because the price of lithium went down…

You wait and see. Bonuses are not just based on increased profits, but a whole gambit of factors, greater sale volume, thereby projected future events, total returns to shareholders, earnings per share, return on assets or similar benchmarks. Like I said, many, many factors, some not even definable… Remember all the hub-bub about investing in Derivatives, Still to this day, most economic analyst cannot define one… but folks make and lost fortunes based on them…

This is one of the statements, where I say, ā€œWait for itā€¦ā€ LoL…

I really don’t care what car company CEOs are paid. It doesn’t reduce my bank account in any way nor does it affect my life at all.

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The USD price of lithium ion batteries went up near the beginning of this year of our Lord 2023 for the first time.

Don’t be a trouble maker and if you are going to cast aspersions, get the quote right. ā€œin the year of our Lordā€ā€¦

Neither phrase is used much anymore outside of religious groups.

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I meant to say our Lord. I fixed it. The US Constitution uses this language!

Just as a side note, I mentioned there have been two house fires around here attributed to the batteries. Then our land fill caught fire and burned for a couple weeks before they could get it out. The fire Marshall believes it was due to disposal of lithium batteries. Regardless of the price, this can only worsen.

Yeah, when our forefathers, the framers of the constitution, used this method of dating, it was to show the divinity of this sacred document to establish the law of the land in this new nation.

Not as you’ve used it, in a debatable display to add value to your moot point without rhyme or reason…

So, here’s another use of an old expression, ā€œBless your Heartā€¦ā€

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Folks can get a little touchy on the religion topic, probably the origin for the advice to never discuss religion or politics at a family gathering. I’ll risk violating this advice for the sake of a humorous story . A month or two ago I went a Good Friday church-related meeting, & happened to mention that many historians believe the paintings seen of the Savior on church alters are based on the shroud of Turin image. Totally innocent comment, thought it might be interesting, & pertinent to the day. . Apparently this theory isn’t widely believed, certainly didn’t go over well, had to leave quickly … lol …

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It was actually added by a scribe after the constitution was voted on. No draft copies of the Constitution contain that wording. It was very common wording 200+ years ago. Really not used much since the mid to late1800’s. It’s like when someone sneezes and we say ā€œGod Bless Youā€.

The U.S. Constitution and ā€œthe Year of our Lordā€ (currentpub.com)

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I’m not much for art history and couldn’t tell one painting from another but most of those are just copies of what the famous painters were commissioned to do. Just their rendition. Nothing for anyone to get excited about…

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