Was the T&C’s filter mounted with the threads down?
One of my friends had issues with valve clatter on two vehicles on startup. I don’t remember the brand name of the filter he was using but one was a Ford and one was a Toyota. The Ford people told him to try a Motorcraft filter in both cars. He did and the noise went away. Obviously there is a difference between filters. I say go with what works for you.
Again - One person’s experience means NOTHING. I’ll bet you can find 100 people who own those EXACT same vehicles and never had a problem with the brand filter your friend had a problem with. When you get a few hundred friends that have this problem…then we can start paying attention.
@MikeInNH, your assertion that one person’s experience means nothing means nothing, but nonetheless, we now have 5 people in this thread who have had or seen issues with Fram oil filters, including:
oldtimer 11
sgtrock21
circuitsmith
Whitey
cwatkin
Are you going to tell me that five people’s experiences mean nothing too? You seem to spend a lot of energy trying to marginalize the personal opinions of the five people on that list. Why have you taken such a personal stake in Fram’s cheapest line of filters? You seem to identify with this product personally, and I’ve never seen such devout brand loyalty for such a ubiquitous product.
Loyalty to a brand creates its ubiquity… Ford, Chevy, Smuckers, Marlboro, and, yes, Fram.
One thing that gets neglected in all the talk about oil filters is a bigger factor in the cleanliness of the oil: that is, an air filter and its gaskets and connectors. Those must be in place to keep dust and dirt from being drawn into the engine in the first place.
your assertion that one person's experience means nothing means nothing, but nonetheless, we now have 5 people in this thread who have had or seen issues with Fram oil filters, including:
Sorry, but statistically speaking…it’s NOTHING. You need to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of examples to make a valid statement about the quality of a product. While I’m with them in that if it happened to ME - then I might never use that product again. But to make a general statement that this filter or that filter is of inferior quality because a handful of people MIGHT have had a problem is statistically insignificant. Noticed I said MIGHT…because we really don’t know.
You seem to spend a lot of energy trying to marginalize the personal opinions of the five people on that list.
I’m NOT in any way marginalizing anyone’s personal opinion. All they stated are their OWN personal experience. Then people like YOU say gee - see I told you I was right because these people had problems…It’s about as scientific as people who see Ghosts. SEE - I found 100 people who swear they’ve seen ghosts…So it MUST be true.
Re-Read my posts…I’m NOT saying their data is Valid or Invalid. All I’m saying is that you can’t come to conclusions based on such an insignificant data sample. You CLASP on to all the negative reports and say SEE I TOLD YOU SO. Yet I think you’ll find MORE people saying they haven’t had any problems…and you seem to just IGNORE them…Talk about marginalizing!!!
Well, @MikeInNH, you are in the unenviable position of trying to prove a negative (that cheap materials and cheap construction DON’T necessarily cause reduced performance), so there really is no reason to argue the point. Lack of evidence is not evidence, so this will have to remain one of those great mysteries.
Sideways
Still, I’ve got to wonder why googling “valve noise Fram oil filter” comes up with about 63,000 results.
Its more important to maintain good oil change intervals. Using fram wont void a warranty - unless the warranty explicitly says all oil changes must be done by a dealer - which I doubt.
Personally however, I always used OEM motorcraft filters on my fords and they last forever. Might be a couple dollars extra but its peace of mind.
If I were you Id shoot for using the OEM stuff, but if you cant find it, a fram is fine.
Well, @MikeInNH, you are in the unenviable position of trying to prove a negative (that cheap materials and cheap construction DON'T necessarily cause reduced performance)
Come @Whitey…that’s low - even for you. Don’t you think other people read this. They all know that I’m NOT trying to prove a negative. That’s just absurd. Anyone who actually wants to THINK about what is written before the comment - knows that I NEVER once tried to prove anything. It’s YOU who’s making wild conclusions based on a small subset of data…NOT ME. I NEVER made any claims. All I said is that you can’t make those conclusions…and you get mad and start pouting.
I seem to remember Consumer Reports did a test on oil filters, but that was probably 35 or 40 years ago. I do remember that Fram was the top rated filter. However, it may be that the particular Fram filters for certain Chrysler products don’t work as well as other brands–possibly because of the anti-drain back valve.
If DAN is still around he is probably sorry he asked the question.
Volvo, you may be right.
But, in fairness, if one reads the thread fully, there’s actually a lot of good information about filters in the thread. And, in fairness to people who argue that they know the “truth”, the advertising media does an absolutely phenomenal job of confusing the facts and the realities. It’s hard to keep opinions and facts separate sometimes.
Besides, Fram filters are orange. Everyone knows that orange is better than black or silver.
“All I said is that you can’t make those conclusions…”
How is that not trying to prove a negative? Seriously. How is attempting to prove my conclusions are invalid NOT trying to prove a negative?
I’m not mad and I’m not pouting. That’s just how I see it, that you’re trying to prove a negative and I’m recognizing the preponderance of evidence that suggests there might be a problem with quality.
This isn’t a criminal court, so I don’t think “beyond reasonable doubt” is the proper standard of proof in this case. This is a public discussion where I recognize the issues that I and others have identified as a cause for concern.
TSM, there’s a huge load of personal biases as well. Just another typical oil/oil filter thread.
Oh, I dunno,
But, then, I’m biased…
"All I said is that you can't make those conclusions..."
How is that not trying to prove a negative?
Re-read the statement…I’m NOT trying to prove anything. In fact it’s just the opposite. I’m saying YOU can’t prove anything. WOW…
Keep it up you two! I’ll turn this car right around!!
LOL, boy, does that bring back memories.