HUGE sale on the 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage

Yes, I was aware that Snapper got bought out by someone else. Yes, they have a consumer grade line and a pro line from what I understand these days. John Deere even does this with their mowers. The Lowes grade isn’t the same as the farm store grade.

I get this with electronics all the time. Fill in the blank with the name of some electronic or computer brand. For example, someone will say “I bought an HP computer from Best Buy but they sell the same one at Wal-Mart for a lot less.” It is NOT the same one. Or people will buy one at Wal-Mart and say “I will never buy a Dell again as this is a piece of junk.”

I don’t know why companies do this with their brand name. Compaq to a certain degree is the cheap HP line. This way you can make the cheaper grade and sell it under a different name to avoid tarnishing your “good” line. If a computer says “HP Compaq”, that is a more professional line. I think Whirlpool makes the “Estate” or some other cheaper line for appliances.

It is too bad people don’t buy things with durability in mind these days, just price. Briggs and Stratton recently introduced a mower engine that “never needs an oil change” for the life of the engine. You know they have an outlook that people won’t keep this around too long to make that claim. B&S has some good lines of engines too but a lot of the consumer grade products are made to fall apart. I had a couple drop valves out of the head due to failed retainers. The lash was set correctly and all. One destroyed the head which I replaced. The other put a hole in the piston and I called it quits on that one.

“It was always made for them by some other company - most recently it’s been Westinghouse.”

No!
Traditionally, most of their washers, dryers, and dishwashers were made under contract by Whirlpool, although nowadays some are made by Bosch, and other makers. Westinghouse hasn’t made any appliances for many years, and I don’t think that they ever made goods for Sears.

One Can “Google” A Model Decipher List That Shows Which Digits In The Sears Appliance Model Number Represent The Manufacturer And Who The Manufacturer Is.
CSA

Wow. Thanks to @cwatkin for getting back to the thread. You information is somewhat useful to me, I’m not quite sure what to make of all this. I see the discussion has splintered off, so I’m not quite sure what to post. I learn a lot here, even when it goes off-topic. Food for my thought next time I need a washer or dryer or lawnmower etc. Shame stuff isn’t built to last anymore. . .

As far as the clutch adjustment being “high” or “low” I don’t know how to judge this, I just know how its “supposed” to feel. I would think on a Brand New Car it should be as correct as its ever going to be.

@cwatkin posted, "As for the Mirage, I wonder if they will really blow these out if any are left right before the release of the 2017 model. The dealer I used still has a few of the 2015 models but they are dwindling. There is only one manual trans left, a white base model DE.

Yes, I took a risk buying this but for this price, how can you go wrong? "

I think that’s kind of what I’m going to do, wait and see. . . I mentioned that I test drove the one with the CVT with a colleague of mine. (He has a car which runs like a top but has almost 300k on the clock so he’s thinking about replacing it). My colleague liked the Mirage but felt it was underpowered. He said he wasn’t averse to buying one, but the salesman would have to “make me an offer I can’t refuse.” MY specific problem is the same one I’ll find with any car I consider, the manual transmissions are hard to find, and I’m considering throwing in the towel, but I’d HATE to do that… .

In the meantime, I got 2 used tires for the Festiva on Friday for $60 out-the-door and now the steering wheel doesn’t shake at highway speeds, so I believe I can get through the summer if need be. Only problem with that is the Mirages will (probably) be gone by the end of April?

^
I already know that my only Sears appliance–a Kenmore Elite dishwasher–was made by Whirlpool, because I was contacted by Whirlpool regarding a high incidence of circuit board failures with this model.

If I had paid for repairs, Whirlpool would compensate me, but because I haven’t had any problems in the 9 years that I have owned it, they are going to send me a certificate good for a discount on any new Whirlpool, Kitchen-Aid, or Kenmore dishwasher.

Most likely, the certificate will be for something on the order of $10…

I flirted with Isuzu for awhile when I noticed they had a backlog of 3 years on some models ,I was waiting for the rebadged S10 to show up ,but they would never put a price up on it.

If there is ANY doubt about buying a car . . . used or new . . . do NOT buy. Walk away and figure things out some more

A few years ago, I went car shopping with my mom. We were all set to hand over the check, and I could tell from her face that she wasn’t feeling comfortable. We excused ourselves from the salesman, and my mom told me it didn’t feel right. We walked back in and said we changed our minds.

If @cwatkin changed the adjustment on the clutch, that worries me. What is that saying about the quality of the car, in general?

No adjustments should be necessary on a brand spanking new car, IMO

Westinghouse hasn't made any appliances for many years, and I don't think that they ever made goods for Sears.

That’s probably true…The Sears salesman don’t know who makes their products. And it’s impossible to keep up with who makes what anymore…the brands have merged and changed hands so many times.

Who Made That Sears Appliance?

http://www.applianceaid.com/sears-manufacturing-codes.php

http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml
CSA

The clutch adjustment seems to be a common thing people do on these cars from reading on the forum. I was far from the only one who felt this was a good idea. With a mechanical clutch, I always thought you wanted a tiny bit of play in the cable/lever, otherwise you were putting extra wear on the throwout bearing and possibly leading to clutch burnout.

That being said, there are a lot of people who have put a lot of miles on these cars without many issues at all. So far, so good here but that is always subject to change.

As for the appliances, I know it is this way with many other products. One or two companies makes all the parts for for all the rest. There are parts all hard drive makers use from Western Digital for example. The WD lines were shut down from floods a few years back, stopping production of all the other brands. Prices skyrocketed for a short while.

Here’s the part where I contradict myself: "Shame stuff isn’t built to last anymore. . . " I think a lot of it is because “we” (not so much the folks who post on this forum, but the American consumer as a whole) demand the low prices, so the manufacturers meet this demand by lowering quality. Most folks are too short-sighted to see past the purchase price. I will admit that I have been part of the problem. My sister always bought quality stuff, (appliances, grills, lawn equipment, etc) and her stuff works and lasts. I’ve always tended to buy the cheapest stuff at Walmart or the Dollar store, and then wonder why most of my stuff is glitchy, partially functional, or broken. But I am learning as I get older. . .

Perhaps the pendulum will swing the other way, the public will get tired of disposable stuff that breaks as soon as the warranty expires - and begin demanding quality products again. One can hope.

This short-sightedness applies to cars as well:

  1. DRIVE! A brand new 2017 (Whatevermobile) for only $xxx per month. (Except its a lease and you have to give it back at the end.)

  2. J.D. Power “Highest Initial Quality” award. (Chevrolet is running this commercial as I compose this post) So What? Everything is SUPPOSED to work when the car is brand new. How well will all the gadgets work when the car is 10 years old?

I appreciate your candidness, @cwatkin . I have driven manual transmission vehicles as my primary vehicles for over 25 years, roughly close to 300,000 miles worth of driving, a significant portion of which was suburban stop-n-go driving. This stuff you mention about adjusting the clutch cable, putting extra wear on the throwout bearing, etc. . . none of this ever crossed my mind in all those years. The one rule I knew and observed was, “only put your foot on the clutch pedal when you are actually shifting gears”, and I have never had to replace a clutch (knock on wood). Had the clutch CABLE snap last year, but that was after 22 years / 190,000 miles of service.

Perhaps I should “retire” from shifting gears undefeated and go ahead and buy a CVT car. :cry:

To be perfectly honest, even after all these years and all that experience with manual transmissions, I couldn’t tell you exactly where along the travel of the pedal the clutch engages, exactly. But somehow I know when it doesn’t “feel right”. I knew something was going before my clutch cable snapped, didn’t know what, but given the age of the car, figured as long as it was working I wasn’t going to start screwing around with it.


Gotta agree with @db4690 , “No adjustments should be necessary on a brand spanking new car, IMO " also, " What is that saying about the quality of the car, in general?” Yeah, what else needs adjustment, aligning, fine-tuning? I’m sorry, and no offense intended, but this is a Big Red Flag. My other big red flag was that the engine had a lot of vibration to it at idle, very jittery. The engine on the Fit was so smooth by comparison, you had to put your hand on it to feel any vibration. (And I hate to say this, but now that I think of it, the engine on my 23 year old 200k+miles Festiva isn’t jittery like that) Perhaps its the whole 3 cylinder versus 4 cylinder thing. 3 cylinders is inherently unbalanced whereas 4 cylinders is inherently balanced?

I WILL SAY, however, I see the Mirage as a direct decedent of the 1988 - 1993 vintage Ford Festiva. Simple, basic, honest, super high m.p.g., no-frills transportation, at least no frills within the confines of all of today’s government mandates i.e.- ABS, ESC, TPMS, etc. and so forth. . .

If it proves to be as reliable as you claim, @cwatkin , then I’d say its a nice little car, probably best suited, as I think you first stated, for those who are either doing courier service or have a very long highway commute and know they’re going to put 200 - 300k miles on a car in 10 years.


There were two additional rebates we “don’t qualify for”. As my colleague pointed out, if he were to produce a military i.d. or a Mitsubishi registration card, they would have to give him those rebates, which tells you there is more “money on the table” if they really want to move those cars.

Edit to add: About a decade ago, I briefly worked for a courier service as a side gig. Because you were an “independent contractor” you had to pay them for the uniform, the radio, and the equipment, 6% deducted for a basic workers comp policy, double social security tax, not to mention fuel cost, wear and tear on your car, plus if you got any parking tickets, car towed away for being in a loading zone, etc that was YOUR problem. . . AND they kept sending me downtown where the streets are nothing but deep potholes. . . . seemed like I almost owed THEM money at the end of the week. It was a fun job in terms of seeing different places I would never have had access to otherwise, but I think if I wanted to drive around all week for no “net” money I’d do better to volunteer to drive a bookmobile or drive for Meals On Wheels, etc.

It occurred to me, if I had a super-long commute, I’d buy TWO of those Mirages, at about $11k each, and switch off i.e.- drive each one every other day, and get about 15 years of cheap transportation. HOWEVER, I have observed, over the years, most of the people I have known who had super-long commutes; eventually they either move their home to be closer to the job, they change jobs to be closer to their home, or they have a heart attack and go on disability.

This is funny. Found another Mitsubishi dealership online which claims to have over 30 of these, listed at $8000 “cash price” which includes $1,000 of rebates I won’t qualify for and $995 of assorted dealership “BS” fees - so $10,000. (plus tax tags and title). BUT, the funny part, they’re still trying to push a LEASE. $3,333 “down” and $159 a month. Geez Louise, if someone needs to lease a $10,000 car, I think they’d be better served to just buy a bus pass. :lol:

Of course the dealer would rather lease than sell cars

Much more profitable for them

“Found another Mitsubishi dealership online which claims to have over 30 of these…”

Right there, that should tell you something about how the car-buying public views the desirability of those Mitsubishis. By contrast, 2015-16 Subarus spend–at most–2 weeks on dealer lots before being sold, and the factory has a very hard time keeping up with demand.

Ed-have you considered Quaalude’s to make your life easier.

Martin Luther ( the original) once said to sin boldly. What he meant was that after looking at all the alternatives and not knowing what to do yet, jump in with both feet and have faith. Time to write a check. You can always trade in a year.

Yeah, if they can lease someone the Mirage, they can sell it for $10,000 and still get $14,000+ for it. :tongue:

Subaru: Yeah, I had a hunch these were popular. At the auto show folks were all over the Subaru display area like ants at a picnic. I had to circle back there 3 times to even be able to sit in the Outback.

I briefly considered a Subaru for an all-in-one car, something I could use as a daily driver AND a tow vehicle (I read that some Subarus can tow up to 3,500 pounds). The fact that they are so popular means they aren’t really going to bargain with you much on a purchase, because if you don’t buy, the fellow standing right behind you WILL.

I find the Subaru marketing odd as well. Every Subaru commercial features people camping, fishing, and driving around the back country roads, but nothing about towing capacity. . . You’d think the types of people who go camping and fishing would have little boats, pop-up campers and such to tow. Maybe they’re holding that part back for if/when sales slow down? One would THINK it would be a natural fit though. . . you don’t have to buy a big cumbersome pickup truck, you can buy our comfortable station wagon type car, get 28 - 30 mpg, and still tow up to 3,500 pounds.


Have I considered Quaaludes??? Seriously? That’s what “the system” wants, everybody medicated. I see these pill commercials every day. The side effects are usually worse than the condition they are meant to cure. Back pain, cancer. . . and my favorite, a side effect of anti-depressants is suddenly being overwhelmed with the desire to commit suicide, nice touch. Maybe I’m high-strung and a little crazy, but at least I know who I really am! (BTW, none of this stopped me from buying stock in Johnson & Johnson, I want to be on the receiving end of these pill dividends,- but I guess I’m not supposed to talk about that on this forum. . . )


“Right there, that should tell you something about how the car-buying public views the desirability of those Mitsubishis.” Yeah, I know, but as a cheapskate I am drawn to it like a moth is drawn to a porch light. The way I look at it, if I hold out for awhile one of three things is going to happen:

  1. Come late April, they mark the Mitsubishis down even more and I get a brand new car out-the-door for under $10,000. and spend the next 10+ years boring everyone to death bragging about the great deal I got. . . .

  2. Later this summer, a manual transmission Honda Fit LX, (in blue or maybe even yellow) comes along and I buy it with exactly the accessories I picked out for it. . . .

  3. I drive my current vehicles through the summer, throw in the towel on the manual transmission, and buy a new Honda Fit alongabout September or October or so, and retire both my current vehicles when the registration / emissions expires in November.

Either way, I win in one way or the other. :smile:

Edit to add: “You can always trade in a year.” That’s only half the statement. The other half is, “. . . at a huge financial loss.” :wink:

@“Ed Frugal”, my best two deals are better than anything you’ll get on that Mitsubishi. 8P

Yes, the 3 cylinders are notoriously shaky because they aren’t balanced like other configurations. The Mirage idles like a Mercedes compared to a Geo Metro because they actually made an effort to balance these out some with the flywheel.

One thing I have noticed is that the car seems to have gotten smoother and quieter with time. It is definitely breaking in and running better. Mileage and power also increased. The idle is definitely odd sounding, much like the Geo Metro. I understand all 3 cylinder cars pretty much sound this way. The Ford Fiesta has one but I haven’t heard it yet.

I don’t know if the clutch adjustment is an issue on these. Maybe it is just preference but most of the owners on the forum seem to have made the same adjustment I made. There may be a recall/TSB to correct this if it was wrong from the get go.

Either way, those with the cars seem happy with them. Sure, it isn’t a Cadillac but it is all about your expectations. A basic reliable car with great mileage is what you get.