I think we can all agree there is a high correlation between higher education and conducting yourself in an appropriate manner . . . and that doesn’t include drag racing in residential areas
I’ve found that many of my current and former colleagues that came from truly horrendous neighborhoods were often the same ones that didn’t have a moral compass
Some of these guys are now older and have their own kids. Yet they still think theft, dishonesty, etc. are fine.
The supervisor actually called a meeting once. This is what he told everybody. “Guys, if you’re working on a vehicle, don’t take anything that doesn’t belong to you. If it isn’t yours, don’t take it home. That is stealing.”
That's exactly what I expected for a reply. There is Bowden College too.
Nice that you focused on only ONE of the many different options I addressed. Is your argument so weak you can’t address the others.
Sorry, you're living in a world that does not exist for many.
And I showed you SEVERAL examples of how someone can go to college if they want to. This is NOT theoretical…it’s being done today…right now…all across the country. I know many kids that are doing it. Parents of modest means…and their kids are going to college WITHOUT STUDENT LOANS. But you ignore that…can’t argue against it because there is no argument.
You are aware that adjusted for inflation the average income has not grown for two decades or more. Tuition to college and board coast have along with healthcare has grown at a faster rate. Much if the aid is drying up as a percent of the true cost is as well. If this doesn’t mean anything your arguments are weaker then you you claim mine are. We have had this discussion before. Parents who can barely afford their own housing certainly can’t support their own kids going on to school. The aspirations of their parents is as important then those of the kids. No where too am I limiting this to four year colleges.
The reason I mentioned Bowden college is that you bring the ability of the high achiever as a full paragraph into the argument as something that has nothing to do with the supposition ( kids with average abilities) and did it to boost yours. Read your own exceptions.
@MikeInNHI’m NOT saying it’s possible for everyone. You have to have the right situation and live in the right area. It would have been very difficult for me to do it in the town I grew up in. You also have to have the right home situation. My nephew’s parents are very supportive. He still lives at home with them…and pays them some money for room and board…and still has enough money left over to pay for his college and go out on the weekends.
I will end my last comment on this matter by simply saying that we do agree in principle but our POV is different by degree. I just happen to feel that your own paragraph which sums my thoughts well is in much greater numbers then you give it credit.
Parents who can barely afford their own housing certainly can't support their own kids going to school.
It’s done all the time. Sorry…but it’s a FACT. There are kids in housing projects in Boston who attend college part time. All you have to do is look. They aren’t going to Harvard or MIT or even BC…but there are plenty of colleges in Boston who have many underprivileged kids going to them part time. Can EVERYONE do it? NO…I never said EVERYONE could. But YOU SAID that poor people CAN’T go to college…I showed you MANY examples of kids of lower income and average intelligent attending colleges. It’s happening all across this country.
The reason I mentioned Bowden college is that you bring that as a full paragraph into the argument as something that has nothing to do with the supposition ( kids with average abilities) and did it to boiste yours.
My nephew is right now going to a small community college in upstate NY as a part time student. He had a C- average graduating from high-school…and he is getting financial aid as a part time student. The rest he pays for with a job he works at 30+ hours a week.
You said - “Society can NOT and would not afford to scholastically help the average student like me”
My nephew is just ONE example of society helping him attend college. He was going to go full time…but he couldn’t get enough financial aid. YES…society failed him there…but he had options (which is what I pointed out). Working almost full time and attending college part time…and getting financial aid grant money has helped him attend college. He has 4+ classes under his belt…Many more to go…but he’s doing it.
I understand that education goes a long way toward solving societies problems, but even poor kids that never go to college can still be taught ethics, morals and taught to respect others.
We all know there are no college graduates that drive drunk, embezzle money, make shady business dealings, cheat people or make unethical decisions. The holy waters of college cleanse the dirty blue collar drag racing peoples soul and make respected enlightened people out of them.
If every person went to a decent college we would need no law enforcement or justice system because educated people don’t break laws, or do stupid things.
For kids like me, college was never an option for many reasons, only a part of it was financial. I knocked down over 100k last year, I own my house and I am on track to having a net worth of a million by the age of 50. I extremely proud of that last fact, I am not rich, however I am comfortable. Im sure my income pales in comparison to many college educated folks on this forum, but its not bad for a guy that came from the trailer.
So get off of your enlightened class high horses and get back on topic. How do we know that the people drag racing on Lisas street are college educated or not?
I have to agree with WheresRick. Its not a matter of money. Thats what the politicians and the social justice folks want everyone to believe. The people that lived through the depression had little money, little opportunity, and few material goods, but by and large they had integrity, worked hard, and were honest. First comes integrity and then opportunity.
My folks didn’t pay my way but I will have to admit that they were certainly supportive and good role models. Just sayn’ you don’t have to have a lot of money to raise good kids who are ambitious and the opportunities are there. You also don’t have to go to college to make a lot of money either-just have to get a trade and work hard.
I was brought up to not mention how much you earn, nor ask somebody how much they earn. It’s one thing to do some inconspicuous research, to make sure you’re getting fairly compensated, but I believe it’s not polite conversation to talk about your salary or wages
You other guys are welcome to disagree with me, of course, should you choose to do so
“I have to agree with WheresRick. Its not a matter of money”.
It is really about how money is managed. Mrs. Triedaq doled out my allowance of $2.50 each week. That amount allowed me to join my geezer buddies for coffee while I was working. One of my friends found that instead of paying 50 cents a cup for coffee on campus, we could go to McDonald’s and, with our senior citizen’s discount, we could buy coffee for only 25 cents. a cup. This allowed me, on Friday, to purchase a cinnamon roll with my coffee. Unfortunately, I didn’t plan ahead for retirement. I should have skipped the cinnamon rolls and saved the extra 25 cents a day when I was money ahead for retirement. Now I find myself going to the mission once a week when I want coffee.
“It’s really about how money is managed.” Words to live by @Triedaq. I have made very little money in my career and a whole lot of money. My real standard of living never really changed until I learned to manage money. I still like bologna sandwiches even though I can afford to eat steak. I drive good used vehicles even though I can afford to buy new ones. Retirement seemed years away until the calendar caught up with me. Just make sure your retirement future is secure before you buy things you really don’t need. One more thing…enjoy life to the fullest every day.
Although I prefer not parking on the street, myself and a couple of like minded neighbors who were concerned about high school age kids racing in front of our homes made it a habit to park on alternate sides of the street to discourage the kids. The narrowed path helped. Luckily I live at the dead end of a short street now. A large elm tree and utility pole would make for an abrupt stop for anyone not paying attention.
I guess my point was that it is more about culture and integrity than the amount of money in a household whether managed or not.
I for one though am quite concerned about @triedaq $2.50 a week is close to domestic abuse. Somehow I think we need to convince Mrs. Triedaq that his allowance should be raised at least to $2.75 a week. Maybe he could take on an extra chore or two to earn it? Whatta ya think?
@Bing–When I got my first job, $2.50 was a lot of money. My pay was 60 cents an hour until I worked 500 hours. My pay then went up to 65 cents an hour… $2.50 represented more than half a day’s work. I worked all summer had had saved a little over $75 and thought I was going to buy a car. I even tried out a car from the Oldsmobile/Cadillac–a 1940 LaSalle that could be purchased for the $75. I drove it home, but my dad had me drive it back to the dealer. He told me I had to save the money for college, and after I graduated, I could purchase any car I could afford. After I graduated, I bought the car I could afford. I bought a 1947 Pontiac for $75 which I needed to get to a university 350 miles away to go to graduate school.
When I think about it, I should have put the money into a car to go drag racing instead of college. I spent all that time trying to learn something and then became a teacher.
Speaking of drag racing and how to stop it. Get everyone together as concerned as OP; find the frumpyest sedan you can, stick the baddest motor you can in it and then race the perps for pink slips. Sell the cars and pay off the investment in your specialized " stick it to’m frumpy sedan". Then, keep the car on hand for future use if the occasion arises gain. Any suggestions for frumpy body shells? I was thinking of a Maverick.
