I know the solution to this, Zero tolerance for speeders.
I actually support zero tolerance law enforcement, unfortunately “zero tolerance” has gotten a bad name because when we say “zero tolerance”, what we actually mean is draconian punishment.
If you were to read the entire Hurt Report, you’d already know “Injury severity increases with speed…”* You’d also know “Groin injuries were sustained by the motorcyclist in at least 13% of the accidents, which typified by multiple vehicle collision in frontal impact at higher than average speed.”*
Also, “In the single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.”
Reading isn’t just fun, it’s fundamental, and in case you missed it, I’ll repeat that, according to the Hurt Report, “INJURY SEVERITY INCREASES WITH SPEED.”
BTW, thank you for citing a report that supports my side of this argument. I wouldn’t expect such a kind favor from someone who disagrees with me. Maybe you should remove “mean” from your user name.
@WheresRick, this crap about people who speed slipping down the slippery slope of crime and depravity is similar to all those lies we were told about pot being a gateway drug when we were teenagers. You’re forcing me to agree with @MikeInNH, which often isn’t a bad thing.
this crap about people who speed slipping down the slippery slope of crime and depravity is similar to all those lies we were told about pot being a gateway drug when we were teenagers. You're forcing me to agree with @MikeInNH, which often isn't a bad thing. ;)
Throwing some of my off the wall, out in left field armature psychology out there. I bet its been a true progression of a career criminal at least once, it had to be… Wasn’t John Dillinger an upstanding citizen until one day he decided to speed and next thing you know he was robbing banks?
MikeinNH is a good guy, much smarter and more well spoken than me, I agree with him often as well. No two people will ever agree on everything, what fun would that be!
Two things. First, as usual, everyone really has a valid point because the idea of speeding is a variable concept. If 65 is the posted limit on a divided highway yes, a high percentage of drivers do speed at about 5 to 7 over the limit. To me, that’s not a problem. It’s the ya ho 's who are cruising at 10 to 15 mph over and think they are god’s gift to the race car circuit. On undivided open access highways, the story is different and even these guys are not usually going 15 mph over…70 in 55. They still create the same problem driving 7 to 10 mph over and 65 in a 55 with open access is way too fast on most roads.
Secondly, IMHO and limit experience with these guys, speeders with high incidence of being caught and multiple offenses, just don’t seem to learn anything until they actually get into an accident without alcohol (substance ) involve. Substance abuse drivers are most often not speeders as they don’t have to be and still be a plague on the road.
I don’t believe in the slippery slope theory applying to them (speeders 10 to 15 over) but they are still, a huge problem on the road as traveling at excessive speeds is one of the biggest factors relating to highways deaths other then substance use while driving. Speed kills regardless of what anyone thinks and while rear ending another car is one of the greatest accident types, the guy from behind IS almost always at fault as he is driving too fast for conditions…his condition which he creates. Speeding on limited access highways is one thing, but speeding on open access roads is a whole other dangerous ball game and where the most deadly accidents occur due to excessive speed. The speed differential is now your absolute when people, cars and animals are pulling out in front of you and head ones are thrown into the mix. Even though the other driver may be a fault, it’s still little consolation when someone is killed due to your excessive speed and reduced reaction time that prevent you from avoiding them. This is why enforcing speeds on these open access roads is much more critical I feel.
Btw, The state cop cruising faster then the public on divided high ways is actually doing his job that requires a higher speed in that 5 to 7 mph range. Totally different then open access highways.
Actually, I rather agree with you assessment about those who actually get caught speeding. If you’re truly a “superior driver,” and thus capable of handling higher speeds…you’d be situationally aware enough, etc, to avoid getting a ticket as you speed.
“Speed limits don’t prevent speeding…they prevent every dumb donkey in the world from speeding” is a valid statement, and if you’re the sort who “gets caught” frequently–you probably shouldn’t be speeding at all.
MikeinNH is a good guy, much smarter and more well spoken than me, I agree with him often as well. No two people will ever agree on everything, what fun would that be!
I agree with You and Whitey MOST of the time. But this is one issue I don’t think we’re going to agree on. Maybe if we all sit down for a few beers together.
Isn’t it time you folks go home to your families? Its late and the coffee shop is closing. Really 29 pages? Speeding leads to embezzelment? In South Dakota a kid can drive when they are 14. In Minnesota you have to be 16. Who is right? If a 14 year old drives in Minnesota, will he later embezzle too?
And its “Amatuer” not “Armature”. An armature is in an electric motor. An amatuer is . . .
your welcome, tho I think its silly the way some people (not you bing) make fun of peoples spelling when they don t like what someone says, but don t have a good argument against it.
On the original topic of gas prices affecting driving habits - I ran through the numbers and found how much I could save on gas based on my car, the way I drive, and how much I drive.
With gas prices on average $3.65 / gallon, I could save as much as $1 per day if I drove in a way to maximize fuel efficiency. This is a perfectly acceptable fee as far as I am concerned. Maybe at $3-$4 per day it would start to become more of a question, but that would correspond to gas prices of $11-$15 per gallon.
Higher gas prices just magnify a person’s personality. If you are frugal, you will redouble your efforts. If you like to go fast, it won’t matter. You will just complain more.
Gasoline here in LA is around $4.00 per gallon and I hardly see anyone trying to conserve fuel while I am out driving. Every day I see compact cars and full size pickups roaring away from a red light and wasting fuel for no reason. It’s high time gasoline prices are based on a formula determined by the weight and cylinder displacement of your vehicle. Now you will see those people start slowing down and driving a lot more efficiently.