So by your reasoning there are also safe drunk drivers and therefor since they are safe they should not be arrested?
No such thing as a safe drunk driver. That’s a total myth.
If you think NOW that driving at 65 is safe…what if they lowered it to 55…would then all of sudden think driving at 65 is UNSAFE? Because that’s what happened back in the 70’s.
@PvtPublic
But we also need these self-entitling asses who think the world and everything in it is about them and their needs to recognize that their needs and/or wants do NOT take priority over anyone else s
I agree. Nobody is so special that their needs or wants should take priority over anyone else’s.
But if the person who wants to be allowed to drive faster is a self-entitled ass, what does that make the person that thinks that everybody else should drive slower?
But if the person who wants to be allowed to drive faster is a self-entitled ass, what does that make the person that thinks that everybody else should drive slower?Also a self entitled ass if they refuse to let people run at the speed limit or illegally block the passing lane intentionally. Just as it is anyones right to speed if they so choose it is also my right to go at the posted limit provided I am not blocking the passing lane or intentionally blocking the speeder from passing. On a 2 lane road here with a 40 limit (used to be 45) there are no passing areas, if someone wants to do 50 and pass me fine, but if I am already doing 40 I am under no obligation to pull off and let them pass.
@starman1
You have it all wrong in a free democratic society. It’s not, “one might consider it safe to drive one speed and another a different speed.” The authority which is an extension of the public has established what speeds you will drive. Hopefully, it is done scientifically, but even if it isn’t, they have the right to establish what the speed limit is regardless of how you feel. Where you are absolutely wrong and never will be right is your insistence that driving faster then posted speed limits is safer. When you are called for it, you, like other speeders use unrealistic speed differentials of things like 45 mph vs 80 mph…look at you previous posts. Then you back off to something more sane based when it is pointed out the difference never exist on a routine basis. It’s all about some natural philosophy you have for yourself. You have never answered the supposition that what’s good for you has to be good for every other texting teen without experience, drivers operating under the influence and elderly drivers bordering on senility. You have to expand your own rights as rights for others as well. You can’t own then yourself saying you are special. Everyone has the same rights in our society when they DONOT infringe up the rights of others.
This horse ain’t quite dead yet…whimper…neighhhhh…
Im off work and off call so lets beat this horse a little more!
@starman1
But if the person who wants to be allowed to drive faster is a self-entitled ass, what does that make the person that thinks that everybody else should drive slower?
A law abiding citizen? Seriously, how can you criticize me if I obey the law? You have a criminal mind… I mean get off of it already.
You do your best to rationalize speeding, Instead why don’t you admit,
A. Your in a big hurry to get nowhere
B. You do not agree with the speedlimits and feel you should drive your natural speed
C. You get enraged when anyone goes the speed limit because it inhibits you from driving your “natural speed”
D. You do not agree with the law, and decide to break it and could care less.
Just come out and say it, instead you come up with BS reasons to speed.
@dagosa
Where you are absolutely wrong and never will be right is your insistence that driving faster then posted speed limits is safer.I never said that driving faster than the posted speed limit is safer. Where did you get that idea?
When you are called for it, you, like other speeders use unrealistic speed differentials of things like 45 mph vs 80 mph....look at you previous postsWhere did I use an unrealistic speed differential? Please provide evidence of this accusation.
It's all about some natural philosophy you have for yourself.I don't think anybody understood why I brought up the topic of natural speeds. There were a couple posts talking about people speeding "being in a rush" and I was just saying that when some people (myself included) speed, its not because they are in a rush or a hurry, its just because thats the speed that they feel safe driving.
@meanjoe75fan
You are convoluting some of your preferences for some set of general values which has nothing to do with local govt. rights to establish speed laws. The discussion is not about civil disobedience and we are not talk about about personal rights as they pertain to anything else other then traffic laws and how they are made and who is responsible for enforcing them. If one doesn’t get what the limitations of law enforcement are and where your civil rights ends and where someone else begins and they believe that one’s personal liberties in these and other areas are “theoretical” then just remember this: it is the entire idea behind driving “is a privilege and not a right” and it’s well within the the rights of persons in different localities to establish control over the behavior of drivers of motor vehicles in their areas of governance. Theirs is a civil right to make laws and enforce them and a driver has a civic responsibility whether you agree with the laws or not, to obey them. You are not suppose to have the same personal freedoms driving a car as you would walking in the park or in your own home.
Everyone, who has gotten behind the wheel of a vehicle, has sped at one point or another.
The point of concern are those people who speed habitually and recklessly. These people are the threat to society. These people think they can go 5 to 15 MPH over the speed limit, and it be OK.
We live in a rushed and busy society today. People do not care about the speed limit. They think they can go 5 to 15 MPH over the limit and be OK, but when they are pulled over, they get angry at the officer for pulling them over.
To all the speeders,
Here’s something to try. Next time you are on the freeway, get into the slow lane and just drive the speed limit. You will find that there will be a number of people that will follow and not try to pass you. You have just succeeded in helping other people keep their speed down and make the freeway safer. I’ve tried this in the past, and aside from all the off duty traffic court judges who will speed by and flip you off for holding them up, its really interesting to see what happens when you obey the law.
I don't think anybody understood why I brought up the topic of natural speeds. There were a couple posts talking about people speeding "being in a rush" and I was just saying that when some people (myself included) speed, its not because they are in a rush or a hurry, its just because thats the speed that they feel safe driving.
What about a natural BAC? Some driver think that they are fine to drive at .20, they swear they are good drivers and have the ability to drive with higher amounts of alcohol in them and not have a wreck. This all makes sense until some innocent motorist ends up dead.
The reason I equated speeders to the alcoholic attitude is because there are so many parallels. I mean really, the speeders on here come up with some wild figures and terms to rationalize their speeding, just like alcoholics justify and rationalize their drinking.
The human mind can rationalize almost anything…
I don't think anybody understood why I brought up the topic of natural speeds. There were a couple posts talking about people speeding "being in a rush" and I was just saying that when some people (myself included) speed, its not because they are in a rush or a hurry, its just because thats the speed that they feel safe driving.
@WheresRick
What about a natural BAC? Some driver think that they are fine to drive at .20, they swear they are good drivers and have the ability to drive with higher amounts of alcohol in them and not have a wreck. This all makes sense until some innocent motorist ends up dead.
Can you explain to me what blood alcohol content has to do with being / not being in a rush?
I ask anyone this, what other traffic laws do you not agree with and disregard?
What If?..
There are many stop signs that I do not want to stop at because I can safely yield to them instead, Should I start disregarding certain stop signs?
I think I can drive better after drinking a 6 pack, should I disregard DUI laws?
I do not believe in the amount of some tolls, should I pay what I feel the amount should be and blow thru the gate?
Think about these questions and lets debate.
Can you explain to me what blood alcohol content has to do with being / not being in a rush?
It doesn’t have anything to do with it, the point if its ok to disregard speed limits and drive our “natural speed”, maybe we should disregard other laws as well.
I can’t remember the last time I saw someone come to a full stop at a stop sign where there was no cross traffic (cops included).
I can’t remember the last time I saw a police car going the speed limit or less.
I can't remember the last time I saw a police car going the speed limit or less.
Me either.
And those 80,000 drivers commuting on the MA highways daily…many are cops…and they are keeping right up with the flow of traffic.
It doesn't have anything to do with it, the point if its ok to disregard speed limits and drive our "natural speed", maybe we should disregard other laws as well.
I’ll tell you the same I told @whitey - drive the MA and NH roads doing the speed limit and TRYING to keep the proper distance for a week. Then let me know what hospital you’re in so I can send you flowers.
@starman1
I’ll let these quotes speak for themself…as well as where you say, speed limits are just for the elderly and the rest of the drivers are safe driving at higher speeds…like their cars are safer at higher speeds then that of an elderly person at their lower speeds ?
I drive the speed I drive because it feels natural and safe to me. But of course what is natural and safe to me is different for other drivers.
I drive faster than most drivers, but because the natural speed for me tends to be higher than the speed limit.
So at what speed is a driver violating the personal liberties of a resident on a road? Can’t say.And anyone who claims they can clearly say exactly what speeds are infringing on the personal liberties of others has a god complex.
You think you're an awesome driver
Yes, but that is beside the point
You think you drive better speeding than somebody obeying the speed limits
Yes, but that is also beside the point
You think the officer shouldn’t ticket you, because you’re a “safe” speeder
Would you agree that there are some good drivers that can drive at 45mph and be safer than some very bad drivers at 30 mph.
Like who gives you the right to determine who is good or bad.
Or consider a good driver going 45 mph and an elderly driver with a slower reaction time going 30mph.
So reaction time determines good and bad drivers. How about speeders are bad drivers !
There seems to be a misconception that speeders are not aggressive drivers by definition. Nothing in the traffic law books in states specifically addresses this (aggressive driving) but is does talk about a summons for " driving to endanger". Personally, I would consider that to be as close to a legal definition as you can get to being an “aggressive” driver.
@dagosa
As I said before, I never claimed driving faster than the speed limit was safer. You made a bunch of claims about me, then when I asked for proof, you change the subject and decide to pick at other words I’ve said.
You want to change topics okay. I bring up the example of elderly drivers versus the most aware of drivers just to show two possible extremes of the spectrum. I do this to show that speed limits are arbitrary, and simply following a speed limit doesn’t ensure safety.
Theres a street where the speed limit is 40. There is a street where the speed limit is 30. The two streets are identical with respect to being completely straight, having the same housing density, same width, same visual clearance on the sides of the road.
Is it so wrong to drive 40mph on the 30mph road, even though its identical to the 40mph road? What happens if they change the speed limit on one to match the other… are my past speedings forgiven?
Is it so wrong to drive 40mph on the 30mph road, even though its identical to the 40mph road? What happens if they change the speed limit on one to match the other… are my past speedings forgiven?
You keep missing the point. YES it is wrong because driving on pubic roads has speed limits at the discretion of the local govt. or the govt. primarily responsible for the road’s management. THEY determine what is safe and can change them, not you and your idea who has the superior reflexes. They have the right to monitor traffic patterns over time and do studies that you don’t. And even if they make a political decision, it’s their right because, they represent the will of the people who live in the area. If they don’t, the locals can hire and fire, vote in and vote them out. You are not the one to determine good or bad drivers by some natural means. Why don’t you instead argue for individual license allowances that allow people with gold stars to do what they want as determined by reflex test…definitely not past traffic offenses.
BTW, yes you did argue that the elderly were less safe and the rest of the 85% of the drives were safer driving faster. How many speeding tickets do you have ? So, when does an older person become a less competent driver ? You appear to me to argue for discretionary law enforcement. Pull the guy over with
the white hair !
@Whitey, you’re next.