Have you been affected by the New Tariffs? I have…

Sports teams? Not exactly industrial.

Our little town does provide some tax subsidies for maybe ten years to help with land purchase or factory construction, or extending sewer and water etc. seems reasonable. Maybe five years ago our wool factory had gone bankrupt and ran up a pretty good utility bill. A couple deep pocket guys bought it and upgraded everything, expanded the product line etc. and it has been a great success. The city voted to give them a break on the water bill when they took over. Just good business.

Good politics, and I’m not complaining. There’s nothing wrong with generating good will towards your government by providing revenue breaks. It’s bad business because all the tax payers are subsidizing a few business owners. What about the other businesses in town that don’t need a tax break to function? Where is their reward? Again, no complaint, this sort of subsidy helps keep citizens employed and I’m for that.

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Wow… That was fast…

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But do they create jobs or just move them?

Cities and states spend lavishly for sports and showbiz; subsidies to other industries would create more jobs.

What good does subsidies for sports teams? They have to spread out , can’t all be in Silicon Valley or Southern California or NYC.

And if they just move business from California to NM or Maryland, they aren’t creating jobs. Kansas spent a lot in tax subsidies to lure businesses from KC, Missouri to KC, Kansas - what good did that do? One Missouri governor wanted a truce.

What does water have to do with it? Don’t they want water? Why not just a straight subsidy? Clean water and sewage treatment are blessings, not burdens.

Both. I was thinking of the auto assembly plants built in the US, mostly in the South. Those jobs were created, not moved. Even the 787 plant Boeing built near Charleston, SC didn’t move jobs. Boeing would have built a new plant anyway, the question was not if but where.

One more thing: Maryland hasn’t played the tax incentive game yet, except for sports. Professional sports incentives are part of the landscape. Any city that wants professional sports franchises has to play that game.

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It may not of moved jobs, but a lot of workers got laid off in 2021 when they moved it from the Everett plant.

And a few local companies that made parts for the 787 shut down when they moved.

The loss of jobs in Everett may have been unrelated to the new 787 assembly plant. Boeing halted production of the 737 Max for a while while investigating the door blowouts, and lost orders in more that the 737 line because of it. They won’t keep employees on when there is nothing to assemble.

How did suppliers lose jobs just because of placing a plant in SC? Companies issue a request for quote and the best combination of price, quality, and logistics gets the job. Boeing brings in components from all over the world. I doubt that a supplier a couple thousand miles away is a problem.

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Depends. If the parts are expensive to ship and there is a local alternative that doesn’t need to factor in shipping costs… There’s probably more ways it could go bad for the incumbent supplier- just one example.

We have some rather delicate assemblies that are sourced locally. Supplier comes in a company van once a week to make deliveries with the parts nestled in a custom rack to protect them. If those had to be individually packaged, the packaging would be expensive and the freight cost would be even more prohibitive- air ride, big boxes…

That’s where I lived for 33 years.

Recently, had the most expensive freight bill I ever saw- we crated and shipped a 2350lb piece of equipment from US east coast to Sweden on next day delivery. Air ride to/from both airports. The unit taxed the freight elevator to the point no one was willing to ride down with it :smile:

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It looks like Ford is going to be very negatively impacted by tariffs.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-pulls-guidance-warns-it-will-take-15-billion-hit-trumps-tariffs-2025-05-05/

Oh yeah? What would happen if they all stopped?

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That is not all that will tax an elevator…

Fluffy is awesome… :rofl:

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Well, it won’t stop. Everyone is in the game now. How many professional sports teams are there at the University of New Mexico? My guess is at least one or two (football and men’s basketball). I think that NIL makes the team professional. Who pays for it? Students through higher tuition and citizens through higher taxes. Some comes from boosters too, but I doubt that all of it does. I’m not fond of it, but that doesn’t matter.

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I’ve noticed no changes for anything. Scrap metal is dropping. It’s always higher in spring was 285 a ton a month ago now 250.

I think some are using this as an excuse to raise prices to make more $

I didn’t say it would stop. I think we’d have as much pro sports without it. Remember Ebbets Field, Shibe Stadium, Forbes Field, Griffith Stadium, Crosley Field, Comiskey, Wrigley, Fenway… baseball owners built their own stadia. It doesn’t increase the amount of pro sports, just makes everybody pay for it, fan or not. Government builds roads and bridges where private business won’t; sports doesn’t need it.

Consumers pay for NIL, not schools or students or citizens. UNM loses money on big-time sports. I’d rather the state choose otherwise, but Albuquerqueños love their sports.

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Of course! That is exactly what happened to the price of 100% American washing machines, circa 2018.

“ I always say ‘tariffs’ is the most beautiful word to me in the dictionary," he said at a rally just hours after his inauguration in January
If they are beautiful, why object to them being shown on the price list? When you pay for items, the sales tax is listed separately, why not the tariff, which is an import tax?

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+1
Customers deserve to have a full breakdown of fees that are added to the basic cost of the goods or services. Anything less amounts to obfuscation.

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