That guys so full of cr*p I don’t know where to begin. Say’s he’s aimed a shotgun at MANY people??? Where the heck does he live that he NEEDED to raise a shotgun to someone.
And he also proved my point in that saying you just have to aim in the general direction. He even said that the shot spreads out 1" for every yard it travels. So as close as 5 yards the shot is 5" wide. That’s 10 times as wide as a bullet.
Shotgun doesn’t have much of a range…it’s biggest advantage is it’ll knock the person down. I’ll take a shotgun any day over a rifle or pistol.
What is really amazing is how many gun nuts encourage people to shoot when in reality we should encourage proper defensive technique. Let’s shoot someone running across your yard ? As an example in this tape, thatz’s a great way to be the object of a law suit. Presentations like this encourage accidents. Few people take the time to adaquatly familiarize them selves with the safe operation of a weapon, let alone use it for self defense. Shoot a gun, especially a shot gun in a closed room and wait for your hearing to return…
Get a dog !!!
What is really amazing is how many gun nuts encourage people to shoot when in reality we should encourage proper defensive technique.
There are so many so-called MEN who own guns but are really just scared little boys…and the first time someone broke into their house would wet their pants. Those are the ones with guns that scare the h*ll out of me. I know a couple.
And unfortunately with these “Stand your Ground” laws more and more innocent people are going to get killed because some “yahoo” who’s so scared when ever someone they don’t like “Thinks” that they are being threatened…pulls out a gun and starts shooting. Or in the Trayvon Martin case. Zimmerman is another scared little man who shouldn’t be carrying a gun.
@MikeInNH
Funny…I hear you and see it all the time too.
We have one gun nut on our road. He also has dogs, talks a big story but you are right. Fearful of everyone, everything.
When we walk, we carry an umbrella, rain or shine. Everyone has a dog, from Rottweiler to Akita to Shepherd to mutt that wants to defend their property and an open umbrella does a great job of confusing them into submission. It works with other animals too.
So, self defense is not about guns, it’s about arming yourself with knowledge. We have bear, moose, deer and even a rabid animal or two that we have encountered over the years while hiking in our area. Never even thought about carrying a gun. The hawks, and bats that fly close to your head under the tree cover at dusk, do scare the you know what out if you while walking. Drop and cover !
I have a CWP, own a couple of weapons I had in law enforcement yet never have carried in the last 25 years but a couple of times at the insistence of my wife. There is no need and “Red Dawn” doesn’t happen before you get word of it on Fox News,
I have a CWP, own a couple of weapons I had in law enforcement yet never have carried in the last 25 years but a couple of times.
I have a neighbor who carries all the time. He’s about 5’10…weighs a little over 350lbs. Can’t walk a flight of stairs without having a heart-attack. He THINKS he’s a man. Always bragging about how much of an athlete he was growing up (he wasn’t). He as ZERO muscle definition.
I work out at a gym that’s mainly latino. I took him there once. He was sure he was going to get robbed or knifed. He doesn’t see how I could even be friends with some of these people. According to him I have nothing in common with them. He thinks most of them are on welfare. He even questioned how some could afford the $20/mo to join the club. Knowing that he carries a gun scares the h*ll out of me. My only solace is that I think he might be too afraid to ever pull the gun. But if he did…watch out.
I agree with registration of guns…I agree with keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. I agree with closing the gun show loopholes.
I agree that IF we could eliminate the assault weapons then we would probably have a safer country…but I don’t think just passing a law to eliminate assault weapons will work. As I stated before…it hasn’t stopped criminals from getting a hold of assault weapons in NY where they’ve been banned for decades. If a criminal wants an assault weapon…they’ll get one.
I think there are at least two benefits to private gun ownership that get short shrift, i.e.:
My ma, at 66, is into fitness, nature, and loves going for walks…except she’s very cautious as to where she’ll walk, fearing the “rapist behind the tree.” I try pointing out that she’s a bit past prime raping age, to no avail.
Now, she’s bought a .38 revolver and has applied for a CCW. To whatever extent this improves her quality of life, does this not constitute a positive outcome from private gun ownership? Even if she never draws or needs to draw?
(The airport in Reykjavik, Iceland is a similar benefit to aviation: seldom used, but required to be operational to allow twin-engine ops over the Atlantic with acceptable safety. It supplies a benefit, even when unused…so does a concealed weapon.)
Private gun ownership provides a disincentive towards robbery and home invasion. But for gun ownership, there’d be more of them than there are now. How many? Dunno…and I don’t know how many averted home invasions “equals” one gun incident, anyways. This is, though, an oft-inconsidered side-effect to gun control that I almost never see mentioned.
Also, the US is in many areas sufficiently disperse as to make self-dfense of property essential. A friend of mine lives on 40 acres in southern NM. BY CHOICE, his nearest neighbor is about 3/4 mile away, he has no utilities to his property, and his link to the outside world is a cell tower, 5 mi away, only reachable via a “repeater” dish on his property.
If someone meant to do him harm, he’d be dead–and his house smoldering embers–by the time the cops got to his property.
For those that care to read a very measured op ed by a former FBI agent, the link is below. It is a very good essay discussing both sides. He was a first responder to the Red Lake Indian School shooting a few years ago in Minnesota. It is a little long but a good read. From the Minneapolis Star and Tribune today.
I refuse to accept that the US is in decline and we do everything wrong. All you have to do is travel around a little bit and talk to normal people and you’ll find we are a great great nation, period.
I refuse to accept that the US is in decline and we do everything wrong
I suggest you study the economy and actually observe what’s going on.
The middle class has shrunk. In many parts of the country like New England you need too good paying jobs to live the way your parents did on one income. Some jobs in manufacturing is coming back…but at much lower wages. High-tech jobs are growing in the US…but there’s still a big push by large corporations (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft) to off-shore many of these jobs to India and China. High-tech manufacturing is almost non existent in the US. People who earn over $1 million/year are doing very very well. Their salaries have INCREASE…while most of the rest of us have decreased. 10 years ago I was paying $65k to a good software engineer who just graduated from a decent university. I can now get the same qualified engineer for $50k.
@meanjoe75green
Having a CCW (they have different names in every state it seems) and carrying a weapon is a personal decision. Older people with less physical stamina definitely seem more vulnerable. It works for them. The decision to carry a 5 shot revolver over a semi automatic does not mean an accident is more avoidable, but it does indicate adaquate self defense is possible with much less then the weapons used in mass killings. IMHO, the revolver is probably the safest choice in weapons for most.
But, the best choice I feel is a dog !
@MikInNH
I agree. We are definitely going from a manufacturing to service based economy. Unfortunately, the service that seems to dominate are financial services. It has been my feeling that as the world evolves and gets more complicated technologically, there is a greater need for specialization. This breeds dependency on all of us as no one can now be self sufficient. This is happening globally as we give up electronics and now mechanics to other nations. I really feel it’s important to reexamine that trend if for nothing more, then our national security. Right now, we have the market on advanced weaponry that we provide for everyone for a price. That filters all the way down to our attitude on guns in general.
The only full automatic pistols I know of are the Glock 18(gov’t issue only IIRC), Mac10, Mac11, Tec9(I believe these are usually referred to as Uzis).
Even with 7 or 8 rounds in a 1911, full auto would be a major pain to control.
But the Colt 45 is THE AUTOMATIC COLT PISTOL… That’s the name. It is not the colt semi-automatic pistol. If I call it an automatic I am correct and anyone who wishes to contest that might speak to Mr Browning and Mr Colt. And if that pistol is an automatic any clip fed “automatic” cycling fire arm can be considered an automatic as well. A machine gun is a “fully automatic.”
Fully automatic weapons are strictly regulated and therefore not a problem. We need to insist that laws be enacted to regulate weapons that have magazine capacities above 8+/-, easily concealed weapons, weapons with extreme range and weapons capable of penetrating armor.
And drafting all young men at 18 or when they finish high school might be beneficial for many reasons.
Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) denotes various John Browning cartridge designs primarily used in Colt and Fabrique Nationale de Herstal pistols.[1] All of these cartridges appear similar with straight sides. The .25 ACP, .32 ACP and .38 ACP are semi-rimmed and headspace on the rim, while the rimless .380 ACP and .45 ACP headspace on the mouth of the case.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Colt_Pistol
Basically, it's the bullet, not the pistol it's going into.
extreme range?
Most bullets, regardless of caliber, can travel well over a mile if they don’t hit anything.
Weapons capable of penetrating armor?
Depending on the type of armor, an axe or a long knife might be an effective weapon against bullet proof vests.
Some places have laws against anything higher than 10 rounds. Despite the ban on those magazines in DC, the Meet the Press host was able to obtain and display a 30 round magazine on air; his show takes place in DC. If a TV host can show he possesses a banned object, in blatant disregard of the law, what about those who do it for a living(i.e. criminals)
Prior to the Thompson sub-machine gun, was there any weapon that fired a cartridge designated ACP other than semi-AUTOMATIC pistols and a few revolvers used by the military? the 45 caliber AUTOMATIC COLT PISTOL round was designed for the COLT AUTOMATIC PISTOL.
Trust me, if class 3 firearms weren’t so inherently expensive, there’d be a lot more out there than there are today.
Back when the tax stamp was introduced, $200 was a LOT of money, especially when the cost of the firearm was less than $20. $200 is still a lot of money, but when the item already cost 20 grand or more, what’s an extra $200?.
Even suppressors are expensive when you throw everything together(threaded barrel, suppressor, tax stamp, new sights)
@bscar2. "Trust me,if class three firearms weren’t so inherently expensive, they’d be a lot more out there…"
Never trust anyone who has to say “trust me” (just being a wise guy. ;=))
It isn’t quite that simple. The Ar 15 is quite expensive. The Glock 17 not nearly so and I believe it can be converted to full auto as long as you have a permit to do so and the parts…and $200 or so to register it.
This is a substantial price, granted. But if it stopped right there like other weapons and the registration did not follow the gun, I contend there would be a lot of full autos out there in the hands of people who shouldn’t have them.
The legal guy who buys a half dozen semi auto AR15s at quite an expense, resells them to whomever he wants for quite a profit, is not inhibited by the initial expense. Neither would the first owner of a full auto. Because the registration follows the gun and the fines and jail time are big for subsequent and original owners if found complicit and who violate the provisions…is what keeps full autos at bay. Again, how many criminal homicides have been at the use of a full auto in the last 50 years…???
So bscar2, your supposition though seemingly right on the surface is incomplete IMO. Law inforcement knows what works for controlling the use of guns like a full auto. Big fines, jail time and high initial cost are only part of it and incomplete without gun registration which increases the chances of getting caught.
Many of the criminals I have interview were no dummy’s. They knew exactly, the punishment for doing the deeds they did. Adding 10 years plus to any offense because a full auto was in their possession for something like burglary or even armed robbery is a huge deterent. I don’t keep mentioning this point to change your mind, it won’t But it is consistent with my experience and the studies I have had to read. This is contrary to how many full auto shoot outs you see in the movies. It doesn’t happen much if at all in real life.
I knew the Glock 18 was full auto and wasn’t aware of the conversion kit until you mentioned it. I did find a place online that sells a kit for it, but they do not list the price, nor do they really give much info on it. I sent them an email to see what it would cost and all that.
If I went with the silencer option for my Glock, I’d be looking at atleast $1500, IF I’m lucky. New, threaded barrel ~$150, $600~1000 for the silencer itself, $200 stamp, and cost of raised sights. I paid $535 for the pistol itself.
An AR-15, last I looked(before the ban was proposed), was roughly $1000; little too rich for my blood. I don’t doubt for a second people aren’t gouging their prices selling or reselling them right now. I don’t really care for the style of the AR, or the 1911, but if that’s what someone wants, more power to them.
For the price of an AR, I’ll gladly take the semi-auto Tommy gun( http://grabagun.com/auto-ord-1927a-1-dlx-45acp-30-50.html ) as I know it’s the closest I’d ever get to the real thing. Cheaper option would be to get the conversion kit for the Ruger 10/22 that makes it look like a Tommy gun.
(just being a wise guy. ;=))
A wise guy, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxg716xgTcI
