Had a Side Job Done at the Dealer!

Just to clarify something. I have not for one minute accused the OP of tax fraud. I have pointed out there could be an issue of tax avoidance or evasion on the part of the mechanic.
I don’t know of one shop, nor have I ever heard of one, that would ever condone back door jobs by their mechanics.

Try this.
Walk into that dealership, ask to speak to the owner or GM, and heap some praise on the mechanic for performing a job well done at a heavily discounted price.
Watch the reaction on that one…

As to cops, I suppose by this logic it’s fine for an on-duty officer to pick up some extra pay by doing some private security work at the mall for a few hours while on the city clock.
Nothing wrong with double dipping… :wink:

By this logic, the stupid ones are the ones who are NOT double dipping

In that case, I am guilty

If guilty is being honest

I was hoping this thread would bring an apology from Mr Beta for insulting the following : military veterans , law students , police officers , hard working honest mechanics and anyone with working knowledge of proper behavior.

Db, I too am guilty of being stupid based on that logic.
Over the years I’ve had countless opportunities to cheat the system, including lots of opportunity to double-dip. I’ve even been offered a prostitute, although I won’t go into that story other than to say I declined… and then went back to the office and disqualified the company from bidding on any of our contracts.

Volvo, I never dared hope for that, but I did hope beta would at least admit that what he was doing was shady and stop trying to defend it. I guess that was unrealistic too.

Double dipping is fine as long as it is done outside the workplace. I could do contract services for a customer on the side, but I would not do it with my work computer or on my employer’s time. I think the same goes for mechanics. A good way to handle it might be to go to the customer’shome and work on the car there.

If it’s done on one’s own time and at one’s own cost, and one doesn’t steal customers from his/her workplace, I commend the doer. To me there’s nothing unethical about that. It’s simply someone trying to make some extra income in his/her spare time.

mountainbike

It’s really disappointing to hear that company would offer certain “services” to sway the opinion of the people awarding the contracts

What’s even more disappointing is the realization that it probably happens far more often than most of us are aware of

I too am guilty of being stupid based on that logic.

It’s nice hanging out on a car forum with fellow stupid people. :smiley:

“It’s nice hanging out on a car forum with fellow stupid people”

+1

I’m glad that I’m not as…smart…as the OP.

Oh how the horses are up on high, but in this case I think it’s because they were eating the mushrooms along the way.

I can understand why some would take issue, at least with their personal choices, with having work done under said conditions. I truly can. What I cannot understand is the ethical bashing and delusions of legal infractions in order do justify such claims.

I was of the utmost standard of integrity as a police officer (when many took to excessive force, racism, and skimming off the top–I did not). And in my time in the military (when many took to killing and harassment because they could–I did not). I removed myself from both of those positions because I believed they intrinsically lacked integrity and any sense of virtue; I did so at great personal/financial loss.

I wonder if those objecting on ethical grounds know the name of the 15 year old Indonesian girl who made the shirt and shoes they they are wearing? Perhaps they know if she made those items before or after she was raped that day? My point being that it’s easy to claim one’s integrity after the fact and so long as it suits them. This went from accusing me of theft, to justifying actual theft on the grounds that it helped make productive employees more productive. Stealing is stealing, correct? For all we know this guy could be the best damn mechanic in the region and they let him do what he pleases with his bay so long as it keeps him happy–if stealing is in fact okay under those conditions, as claimed.

I posted this story to gain some insight on the inner workings of shops for which I am ignorant of. I wondered if flat-rate shops didn’t care much what their techs did in between work orders. I assumed they did, if for nothing but liability issues, yet it was as much a matter of curiosity as it was getting my car repaired at a reasonable rate. If the parts didn’t come with a receipt I would have had an issue. But perhaps he did steal them, perhaps he put the part manager at gun point, perhaps he’s part of a national part/hydraulic lift time theft ring…perhaps.

I personally don’t have a problem stepping into the land of “no harm no foul” from time to time. Not stealing, but bending the rules to where the little guy makes out. I did that as a cop by letting people go home who could have gone to jail. Years ago working in a furniture warehouse I gave my employee discount to friends when it was frowned upon to anyone but family members (shame, shame). I would never knowingly take a stolen part (where many do, especially regarding catalytic converters and air bags) nor would I commit fraud (say, allowing a service manager to write a work order for half of the work to be done, thus coming out of the shops pocket). I paid an honest price to a guy for his labor which he did in a place he probably wasn’t supposed to, but also a place that he makes a great profit for every day. He took a little back, and while that’s on him, I’m sure none of you can say you didn’t take a little along the way–however you care to justify it while preserving your perceptions and arbitrary status quo.

“The misuse of language induces evil in the soul.” And while I can understand the objections here, the present satiety of lacking intellectual integrity is far worse than any shady auto repair.

For all we know this guy could be the best damn mechanic in the region and they let him do what he pleases with his bay so long as it keeps him happy

Speaking of intellectual integrity, yeah, we could assume that if we were either stupid or trying to rationalize our choices. But if we then got smarter or stopped lying to ourselves we’d realize that if he was allowed to do whatever he wants, he wouldn’t have had you sneak behind the building and hide from the rest of the staff while secretly texting him on his personal phone, wouldn’t we?

I wonder if those objecting on ethical grounds know the name of the 15 year old Indonesian girl who made the shirt and shoes they they are wearing? Perhaps they know if she made those items before or after she was raped that day?

Neat little strawman you’ve built for yourself there, but you have no idea what I’m wearing. The rape comment was not only entirely out of line, but was frankly idiotic. Obviously we can’t do anything about buying clothes that were made by a rape victim because we don’t know that she was raped, or even that the rape had anything to do with her job in the first place. You, on the other hand, as a former cop especially but really just as someone older than 6 who has half an ounce of common sense, know exactly what’s going on with your covert mechanic friend and are choosing to go through with the transaction anyway. Our hands are clean. Yours are clearly not.

In short, don’t come marching onto an established forum where the regulars are not morally bankrupt and expect to be lauded for your questionable ethics. At this point, and considering the vigor with which you defend your at best questionable actions, I suspect you’re trolling us.

It's really disappointing to hear that company would offer certain "services" to sway the opinion of the people awarding the contracts

What’s even more disappointing is the realization that it probably happens far more often than most of us are aware of

Excellent post, shadow.

Demo clearly thinks unethical behavior is okay as long as it saves him a few bucks. How unethical behavior is supposed to help the people in Indonesia is beyond me. I’d be interested in hearing a logical explanation of how that’s supposed to happen. How ethical behavior on my part is supposed to hurt them is beyond me too. I’d be interesting in hearing that one too.

Demo, just be a man and admit that you cheated the system in order to save some money. If that’s your level of ethics, just “own” it.

Re: the comments about the dishonest things I saw in industry… they were rampant in the '70s and '80s. I’ve seen a VP of Procurement supplied with a new Jaguar every year by a vendor providing government materials and being paid out of DOD contracts. I have first-hand personal knowledge of two different major DOD contractors each keeping the DCAS (Defense Contract Administrative Services) rep’s girlfriend on the payroll with made up jobs. In both cases the “girlfriend” was hired by the company specifically to entertain the DCAS rep. And both DCAS reps were married to other women. At one company she’d punch in in the morning and on nice summer days she and the DCAS rep would head for the beach. I have some funny/almost unbelievable side stories from those situations, but I’ll skip them. I could write a book. But I’d probably end up sleeping on concrete.

Anyway, I always avoided being drawn into any of those situations. I might be poorer as a result, but I sleep with a clear conscience.

Nomatter. Nothing is going to change. Beta and I will each continue along with whatever level of ethics we currently possess. The companies I mentioned have long since been acquired.

Stealing is stealing, correct? For all we know this guy could be the best damn mechanic in the region and they let him do what he pleases with his bay so long as it keeps him happy--if stealing is in fact okay under those conditions, as claimed.

And if you’re a cop as you claim…if this guy stole from his employer (use of the garage) to fix your vehicle…dealer finds out and presses charges…YOU COULD BE ARRESTED for receiving stolen goods. We had a few instances here in NH where a guy was selling stolen goods out of a tractor trailer. He was arrested…along with several of his clients. The judge told the clients they should have known that the deal to be this good the merchandise must have been stolen. If you actually are a cop…you should have known this was wrong…If you didn’t…shame on you.

Years ago working in a furniture warehouse I gave my employee discount to friends when it was frowned upon to anyone but family members (shame, shame).

I’m sorry…but that is stealing. If you worked for me…you’d been fired on the spot. If I discovered you did it a few times I’d call the DA and press charges. And you claim to be a cop and don’t know what constitutes stealing.

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse - except if your a cop”

I couldn’t have said it better myself, shadowfax!
Kudos to you for your well-thought-out skewering of the OP’s latest response attempt at rationalizing his actions.

I guess it depends where you work and what the product is. My daughter worked part time at a clothing store while she was in college. She could buy clothing with her discount for her sisters as long as she didn’t do it too often. Her supervisor was aware that she did it.

Jt, that isn’t unethical. It’s called having a good heart.

Regarding the ethics in this situation, I spoke to a local dealership mechanic who is being paid $24/hour flat rate just as he has been for several years but the dealership in those years has raised their labor rate to $105/hour. New dealerships have been cutting back from the long standard 40% to mechanics rate for quite some time but this sounds outrageous. How can dealerships keep good mechanics?

^Yeah, i’ve worked in “mutual exploitation” environments, and it was never pretty. And (whether right or wrong) it’s natural to expect it: if the dealer is “using the mechanic” as cheap labor, be sure that, sooner or later, the mechanic will resort to “using the dealer” as a means of building a customer base to steal away when he opens his own shop…

40% flat rate?? I’ve heard some of the old-timers reminisce about the good old days when labor was split 50/50 between the shop and the mechanic, but that was a long time ago. The current model is that your top-of-his-game guy is worth a third of your retail labor rate, with the B and C level guys at about 25% and 18-20% respectively.

The automotive industry as a whole has systematically been cutting mechanic pay for decades, and the public has been helping them along. Why is it than an oil change doesn’t cost any more now than it did 25 years ago?

As to the original post many pages back…maybe the dealer tech is flat rate and business has been slow. Maybe management doesn’t care what the mechanic does when he’s just standing there not making the business any money. Maybe the coffee shop doesn’t care if the cook makes breakfast for his friends when there are no retail customers out front. Maybe the dental office doesn’t care if the hygienist does a cleaning for $50 on the side when the chair isn’t being used.
I think we need more info before coming to a conclusion.

Maybe management looks at the mechanic as an expense rather than the greatest benefit his business has. Perhaps it’s poor management that has led the mechanic to doing side work at the shop. After all, he probably has a family to feed.