https://kdvr.com/news/local/fort-collins-installing-speed-cameras-around-the-city-this-fall/
If it changes drivers behavior then good.
Was shot down in Minnesota. Pussy judge said there is no proof car owner is/was driving. Lots of cars get loaned out in Minnesota.
I think car owner should get ticket. Crazy idea.
That violates the 6th amendment of the Constitution. The “get around” is to make it a civil offense rather than a criminal one. It makes enforcing and collecting the fine more difficult.
Outlines the legal problems…
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/457790-red-light-cameras-undermine-rule-of-law/
Shows its been declared unconstitutional in state supreme court…
https://www.ncsl.org/transportation/enforcing-traffic-laws-with-red-light-and-speed-cameras
And if you’re stopped by a cop instead, watch out if you’re using electronic ID (this might also apply to electronic insurance cards):
Handing A Cop Your Digital Driver’s License Can Lead To An All-Out Search Of Your Phone (jalopnik.com)
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I’ve watched cars in Cedar Rapids Iowa crawl along at 45 on a six lane highway because of the speed cameras. My personal belief is that it is more for revenue than safety. These are usually set up by third party vendors and just give the community a cut on the winnings.
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Studies have shown municipalities “adjusting” yellow timing to increase red-light camera revenue to keep the sub-contractor happy. Not to improve safety… to make sure the sub is flush with cash!
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The right to know who your accusers are. The camera has pic of your car speeding. The camera is impartial. It takes pic of car exceeding speed limit. It does not judge. It provides evidence.
It provides evidence of the CAR speeding, not the driver. The ticket is sent to the car’s owner. The owner has a right not to self-incriminate. The state has the requirement to prove who was the actual driver of the car at that time and ticket THEM and not just the car’s owner.
If speed cameras are installed, expect an increase in rear end collisions. Some drivers will slam on their braker at the yellow abd other drivers will try to make it through. The companies that promise to install cameras for free will require that yellow lights be shortened if revenues do not meet expectations.
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Some of us have an extreme fear of stasi like totalitarian tactics, especially being in Minnesota where one radio personality claimed that nothing at all is allowed. We don’t like snitch lines to report a neighbor, etc. taken to extremes, why not have your car calling the authorities when your fasten seat belt light is on? Or as is being discussed, speed limiters. How about turning the heat up in the winter higher than recommended, easily determined with the new electronic meters. Once you go down this path, there is no end to wthat could be controlled “for your own safety or the safety of others”. Chevron comes to mind.
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One of the Columbo tv episodes had this as a clue-topic. The man Columbo thinks committed the crime in LA receives a letter in the mail from Pasadena city hall, a speeding ticket enclosed from a traffic camera, and the suspect’s photo, he’s shown in the photo in the driver’s seat to be driving the car over the speed limit. The man tells Colombo this proves he couldn’t have done the crime, b/c the crime was committed at the same time, but 30 miles away. Colombo is having none of it of course, and eventually discovers the person driving the car was actually a woman, wearing a mask to make her look like the man.
The driver should get the ticket, not the car owner…
Coming back from a road trip a few years ago, my buddy was driving my car and got his 1st ever ticket for doing about 93, he had just slowed down a bit and then was lit up…
It was on the Cumberland Parkway with very little if any traffic, so nobody needs to freak out over it…
That is true, and it is the reason why NJ banned red light cameras ~10 years ago when it was found that some municipalities were gouging motorists. But, this thread is about speed cameras, not red light cameras.
NYC began installing speed cameras a couple of years ago, chiefly in school zones. More recently, they have begun to expand the program into non-school areas, as a result of an alarming up-tick in fatal pedestrian/car incidents.
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