For the luddites in modern time

What in the heck is a Luddite, sure make me go search the world wide wiver of infowmation, " 1. DEROGATORY

a person opposed to new technology or ways of working.

“a small-minded Luddite resisting progress”

HISTORICAL

a member of any of the bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woolen mills, that they believed was threatening their jobs (1811–16).
Yeah that included child labor laws, oops no more 7 or 8 year olds, and any job is a good job, but I think the textile mills were not good jobs.

I don’t know where you got that info, but here is what Toyota says about it. And that logo/Badge only came about in 1989.

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So let’s see . . .

If my next new car is NOT an ev, that makes me a luddite . . . ?!

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Correct . . . we’ve owned many Toyotas prior to 1989, and the “T” looked completely different

I wouldn’t go that far, but if I add some qualifiers, it might make more sense to say that.

…such as: If you use your car exclusively for commuting and local errands, but still have range anxiety about EVs…

…or…

…if you advise other people to avoid EVs, even if the above applies to them…

I’ve reached the point where I’m no longer interested in touring on a motorcycle. If I’m going to take a long trip, I’d prefer to be in a car. So why should my motorcycle use an internal combustion engine? Sure, the roar of a V-twin with a stock exhaust is pleasing to my ears, but if I had the power and acceleration of an electric motorcycle, I don’t think I’d miss it.

I’d never do that

In fact, I’m thinking of an ev or hybrid for my next car . . . whenever that is :thinking:

I’ll throw some flames on the fire, though

If I buy an ev, I won’t seriously consider Tesla . . . because I despise Elon Musk. To be more specific, while I acknowledge his genius, I hate his personality.

I second the motion .

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A friend is very interested in EVs, and would never buy a Tesla. The reason is that Tesla doesn’t appear to care about their customers. He says that they sometimes don’t get their order right, like wrong color car, and the time to get the correct one is so long that the buyers typically keep them. It’s bad enough that they don’t get the order right, but then not to put the wronged customer at the head of the line is awful.

Elon Musk . . . his personality, not his genius . . . is the SOLE reason I would not buy a Tesla automobile

I wasn’t even aware of these other things you mentioned . . . I was mainly aware of quality control “issues” to use a nice phrase

It certainly isn’t persuading me to buy a Tesla

:smirk:

A Tesla is going to have to get way more affordable before I’ll buy one, and as far as the Zero motorcycle, for the price of one that will make my commute to work, I could buy several 250 cc bikes that get 80 mpg or 125cc Honda Groms that get nearly 100 mpg.

I don’t like either the car or the person but to his credit he is threatening to move his production out of California because they won’t let him open up.

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I see him as a big whiner . . .

And I can’t stand his tweeting . . . I can’t stand the fact that he does it excessively, and I also can’t stand the content of those tweets

VERY unprofessional

That is to his credit. You mean there are still people left in California after the mass exits? I can’t blame him a bit. Look what happened to the folks who just wanted to visit the beaches. California is no Florida!
I rode my bike to the beach and was swimming in the Gulf today, in total freedom, and it was absolutely wonderful!! You just can’t dictate peoples’ freedom to them and get away with it.

On a car note, I will buy an EV, Tesla or otherwise, as soon as they become practical to own and operate and I know that day is coming, sooner, rather than later. I’ve always been a “fewer moving parts” kind of guy.
CSA
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I’ve encountered quite a few very successful people, some athletes, some not, and often times their personalities leave a lot to be admired. I chalk it up to the fact that they are laser focused driven and it’s part of what makes them so successful. It seems to me that big visions go with huge egos, everything is full tilt, I get that and accept it.

A winning combination is when you encounter a highly successful individual with a very pleasing, magnetic personality. It happens, but I wouldn’t wait around for it. It’s quite a rare occasion, really. I just want a decent car. I’m not looking to marry anybody. I’m already happily married.

Cut off your nose to spite your face. Do what you’d like at your loss. I’m pretty sure Elon won’t miss you.
That said, consumers do vote with their wallets.
CSA
:palm_tree: :sunglasses: :palm_tree:

I’ll consider an ev . . . but not a Tesla

It’s not at my loss

Stop imagining things :laughing:

"You just can’t dictate peoples’ freedom to them and get away with it."
Communism/Socialism 101!

I don’t disagree with you about Elon Musk, but I contend that, if you base your purchasing decisions on whether the inventor of the product is a nice person, you’d impose quite a burden on yourself.

The same goes for being able to appreciate works of art, such as paintings, music, and works of theatre. I learned long ago to appreciate the thing itself for its virtue, because there are few artists, inventors, and venture capitalists who are capable of meeting my standards of what makes a good person good. Nor do I want to do the legwork of evaluating their personal lives.

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I find it funny how some people are willing to equate anything they don’t like to communism and socialism.

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You’ve got that right. California’s COVID-19 infection rates continue to increase, while Florida’s are in decline.

Contrary to popular belief, California and Florida are not the same state, and require different governance to address to different issues. California has the 5th largest economy in the world, and it’s not even a sovereign country. It’s not the hellscape you make it out to be. How much time have you actually spent there?

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Don’t gotta live in Russia and similar, to know what it’s like to live there. Doctrines sound real nice until you do some reading and talk to people who have escaped the tyranny.

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We’re not talking about Russia, we’re talking about an American state, and yes, if you’re going to tell me you know what it is like to be there, you should actually be there at some point. Otherwise, you’re just repeating someone else’s story.

…and before anyone asks, I have been to California. I traveled there on business to represent a company I worked for in small claims court. I flew into LAX, stayed in a motel and took care of business in Redlands, and used the extra day to drive out and explore Joshua Tree National Park. I had a nice time.

Likewise, I lived in Texas for several years. I lived in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex. However, I’ve never been to El Paso, and if I were to tell you what it’s like to live in El Paso, you should treat that assertion with a great deal of skepticism, because it would be an uninformed opinion.

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