Desperation at Nissan?

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@keith

It’s not the variable compression engine that is under recall.

This is what the article says:
"The 25V437 recall includes the 2021-2024 Rogue, 2019-2020 Altima, 2019-2022 Infiniti QX50, and 2022 Infiniti QX55. The vehicles have 3-cylinder 1.5 liter or 4-cylinder 2.0 liter variable compression turbo engines. "

[jtsanders]

@db4690

But Nissan hasn’t really gotten anywhere, as I see it. They’re still building clearly inferior and outdated vehicles and they’re not really in a position to survive by themselves, as I see it

IMO it is related to their association with Renault. Mazda and Subaru were not working with Renault or any other mass market European manufacturer AFAIK.

[keith]

My bad, you are right. However LSPI is a known problem with GDI, turbocharged engines with or without variable compression.

[johnlump_191311]

@jtsanders

@db4690

But Nissan hasn’t really gotten anywhere, as I see it. They’re still building clearly inferior and outdated vehicles and they’re not really in a position to survive by themselves, as I see it

IMO it is related to their association with Renault. Mazda and Subaru were not working with Renault or any other mass market European manufacturer AFAIK.

I never understood that quasi merger. Apparently they didn’t either.

[bcohen2010]

@db4690

in the 1980s, Nissan products were okay, definitely below Honda and Toyota levels, but not complete garbage

I disagree. In the 1980s to mid-1990s, Nissan was as good as anything else on the road. I remember seeing models such as the Nissan Pulsar, Nissan Stanza, and the Nissan Sentra in large numbers. The early 1990s Nissan Sentra is a workhorse, which will run practically forever if maintained. I still see them on the road every now and then.

@db4690

But Nissan hasn’t really gotten anywhere, as I see it. They’re still building clearly inferior and outdated vehicles and they’re not really in a position to survive by themselves, as I see it

Today’s Nissan vehicles are unreliable garbage. And the company has chosen to spend more money on gimmicky ads than trying to improve the quality of their product. When they announced the idea of a variable-compression engine, I thought “my God, what fools”, and it turns out I was right. With real-life driving conditions, and real-life maintenance, even basic timing chains and VVT hardware fail at relatively low mileage. It was ludicrous to think that a variable-compression engine would last for even 100,000 to 150,000 miles without a major rebuild.

[bcohen2010]

@keith

It’s not the variable compression engine that is under recall. It is the turbocharged, direct injected engines that are being recalled. They suffer from something called LSPI, low speed pre-ignition. At low speed, high load, the pressure from the turbo gets so high it causes pre-ignition in an already high pressure cylinder still on its compression stroke. The result is devastating on the pistons, rods and rod bearings.

Even worse. I would NEVER buy a turbocharged or direct-injected engine,for a variety of reasons. I remember how forgiving engines were, such as the 2.2L OHV used in the late 1990’s to early 2000s Cavalier, the 2.2L and 2.5L SOHC engines used in the early 1990’s Chrysler vehicles, the 1.6L SOHC engines used in the 1990s Toyota Corolla, etc. These engines lasted for 200,000 miles or more on maintenance that would wreck a modern engine in less than 50,000 miles.

[db4690]

We’ve owned cars from all Japanese brands over the years

I once bought a 1988 Sentra when it was just 4 years old

It was fine, but the equivalent Toyota was much higher quality and I couldn’t afford the higher asking price

Yup . . . I bought the Nissan not because I thought so highly if it, but because I could afford it

I continue to assert Nissan builds vehicles that are FAR inferior to Honda and Toyota

[johnlump_191311]

You can buy whatever you want but I’ve had nothing but turbos in my cars for 30 years now. Never had any problems with any of the engines even well after 10 years. Just oil filters and plugs.

[MikeInNH]

@johnlump_191311

You can buy whatever you want but I’ve had nothing but turbos in my cars for 30 years now. Never had any problems with any of the engines even well after 10 years

Years means nothing. Mileage is what matters. My brother puts about 90k miles after 10 years. When I was working before covid, I averaged OVER 30k/year, so after 10 years I had over 300k miles.

[johnlump_191311]

Well over a 100k miles in case you’re asking. Jeez.

[MikeInNH]

@johnlump_191311

Well over a 100k miles in case you’re asking. Jeez.

That’s only 10k/year.100k miles is insignificant. Try 300k miles.

[Nevada_545]

@MikeInNH

Years means nothing. Mileage is what matters.

@MikeInNH

I averaged OVER 30k/year, so after 10 years I had over 300k miles.

With less driving, a vehicle should last 30 years.

[MikeInNH]

@Nevada_545

With less driving, a vehicle should last 30 years.

Exactly. Based on the logic of years,I have a relative in NYC who bought a car and after 25 years she drove it a total of 100 miles. BTW it was a Chevy Vega (One of the most unreliable vehicles ever built)…but it lasted 25 years so it must be reliable - NOT

[johnlump_191311]

Cars driven infrequently suffer carbon buildup, oil water contamination, gasoline varnishing in fuel systems and other maladies. That’s why all car manufacturers specify both miles and months for maintenance. Few miles a year on cars are very hard on cars.

[MikeInNH]

@johnlump_191311

Few miles a year on cars are very hard on cars.

it depends on how the car was driven. City driving at low rpms all the time is harder on a car then highway driving. If you don’t drive a vehicle much, then you should use fuel stabilizer.

[johnlump_191311]

Well I’ve never had that problem. I usually tank up every couple weeks.