I just saw this and don’t remember if this has been posted already or not…
Whoever’s theoretically looking at data from MY Toyota Camry’s going to be very bored 
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This case would be interesting to watch. It says the owner failed to “opt out” of the data collection. If he didn’t then Toyota would own the data coming off your car.
It begs a few questions…. If Toyota OWNS the data, can’t they then sell that data to CAS? ALL the data? Or just data but not attached to the owners identity? If part of the sale data includes the VIN, that can now be linked to the owner through public records without Toyota’s or CAS’s involvement.
Furthermore, does Toyota own the SECOND owners data? The second owner is likely given no choice to opt out or not as the first owner doesn’t care about that transfer beyond the sale. So can Toyota still collect data off the used car?
Questions, questions….
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He had opted out according to the video… Didn’t read through the links though, to many words… lol
I do know that when I log into Toyota owner thingy, that I can see my odometer live as well as any check engine light info (never had a light on though), so they are probably watching my data, as boring as it is, but sometime confusing… lol
I do not pay for anything electronic for my truck, no Toyota app things…
When I worked for a forklift company, we had a wifi box we sold to catalog various things - operator lockouts, safety checks, and impacts. We intended to use it to stream data back to us, the manufacturer and were concerned about who would own that data; us or the warehouse operation that owned the trucks. And what about leases? Lots of questions.
We talked to a retired OnStar employee that said GM just included an acknowledgement of ownership of the OnStar data. People signed it without a thought and without reading it. So GM owned the data. The Toyo idea that you are IN unless you opt OUT seems fishy.
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This needs to be flipped around and we should have to opt in rather than default having to opt out. Obviously, the current approach benefits the manufacturer to have it this way but I vaguely recall some other service being forced to switch to opt in to protect consumer rights.
I recall a disclaimer that caught my eye in my recent new car transaction where it said if you subscribe to their enhanced data package (e.g. maps) they also have your permission to collect data and sell it to certain “affiliated” organizations.
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Interesting issue. Once and for all data ownership needs to be determined from info in the black box that is collected regardless of any installed after market device. The dealer signed me up for Onstar and dont recall any optnin given by me for other than the standard air pressure, oil change, etc. data. Of course this all became irrelevant when they switched to 5g they couldn’t collect it anymore unless you installed an app with the cell phone. Seems to me the police could access black box data but required a court order. That suggests the data is private. Big issue and includes purchase data from walmart and others as well as camera images and plate readers.
I will say though if you are adding your own testimony you should be careful to select brake instead of break and their instead of there for credibility. Others will disagree..
Could be a state issue though. Minnesota had very severe private data laws that not all states followed. Lots of twists and turns with this whole issue and police have been prosecuted for accessing private data for potential girl friends.
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They find ways around any laws in this regard. Similar to agreements to accept binding arbitration that are buried in all the legalese that we quickly glance over and sign…often what choice do you have? If you want to use the product, you need to agree to the stipulations…hopefully, at some point, we get to the place where these onerous agreements are separated and opt out by default. You would then have to agree to each of them separately.
Our European friends are much more advanced than the U.S. is in this regard. There are severe penalties for not safeguarding personal data and not something the corporations can hide in 10 page legalese documents that are wholesale agreed to by default.
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Back in the days when software was bought in packages, in retail stores, there was usually a notice on the back of the packages stating that breaking the seal in order to open the package constituted agreement to comply with the software maker’s stipulations.
My Business Law professor was of the opinion that this ridiculous provision shouldn’t have been legal–yet it was.
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Data is big business. Companies say all the time they won’t sell the data. But they do.
One company had made the statement they “Won’t sell the data.” Then the next line was their rules can change without notice. So what they did was they changed the rule so they could sell the data, then right after the sold the data they changed the rule back.
Radio Shacks had always said they’ll never sell their data. The last act as a company was to sell ALL their data to pay bonuses to executives.
23andMe promised to only share their data to companies who were conducting medical research. There’s pending litigation from multiple states because of the sale of 23andMe and their data. Sale of genetic data is very disconcerting.
I don’t do DNA testing
I know as much as I need to know
I have no desire to meet distantly related blood kin I didn’t grow up with
Family is who you choose to be close to, imo
I know MANY people who did DNA testing and really wish they hadn’t
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I don’t regret having done it, as it helped to narrow-down the areas of Europe from which my family originated. I didn’t set-out to contact distant relatives initially, but I did attempt it twice, and those people never responded, so I’m tempted to think that most people aren’t really interested in that “feature”.
Almost all of the people listed as “related” to me were classified as “distantly-related”. Only a very small number were listed as a Third Cousin, and a couple of those were the ones that I tried–unsuccessfully–to contact.
When it was announced that 23andMe was going belly-up, I requested that they delete all of my information. Whether they actually did do that is an unknown.
Me either. You can block who gets to see your DNA.
No offense intended . . .
But I’ll take someone who has literally no clue “where they came from” and is a decent person. . .
versus someone who can trace their lineage back so many generations, but has low/no values and is unbearable to be around
it’s what you make of yourself . . . or at least try . . . imo
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I can trace my ancestors back to the great Charlemagne! Of course, so can about half of Europe. Busy guy!
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It’s been years so a little fuzzy. I think the guy who wrote and promoted the data privacy statute in Minnesota was don gimberling. He essentially turned the whole issue upside down by determining all personal data was private or non-public, unless there was a specific statute designating certain data otherwise. So caught a lot of administrative types flat footed and unhappy. Seems to me this makes a lot more sense. You can’t collect, store, sell, share, etc. personal information without an authorizing statute.
Somewhere in there should be photos and plate reader info. We had dome kind of a celebration once and took pictures of the event. One Asian lady was very upset because she said this captured her soul. Never heard that before but think it is time to reign in the cameras everywhere.
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Yes, certain cultures seem to believe being photographed without permission is quite harmful
Toyota and Lexus have been providing Safety Connect and Service Connect on new vehicles for the last 7 years, for 3 to 5 years at no extra cost on new vehicles. Millions of buyers have never read the Connected Services Terms of Use or the Privacy Rights notice. The terms of use document is 21 pages long, nobody is going to read that while signing the sale contract. These agreements state that information is collected and shared with service providers and third party “beneficiaries”.
This might surprise owners; the stolen vehicle locater ability includes this:
How does that work on used vehicles still under warranty, like my 2023 with 15K on it??I don’t remember seeing anything about it from CarMax, but then again that stuff is always a blur to me, to many words…
I have a friend on another forum that has the same truck basically as mine posted this…
"So I called Toyota’s 800 number to in order to opt out of their Master Data Collection program & was informed that the previous owner’s name is on the “account”, not mine. They wanted me to e-mail proof of ownership: title, reg, bill of sale, odo reading, and insurance card to backoffice@toyotaconnected.com before I could make any changes.
Shouldn’t the dealer have done all this when I purchased the vehicle? I think I’ll start there."
Then he tried this…
“I downloaded the Toyota app, added my vehicle & ‘Declined’ Connected Services Master Data Consent in the process. The SOS green light turned off shortly after, but then I was getting an audible ‘nanny’ error message over the speakers stating “communication module failure detected…”. I turned the communications back on for now.”
I don’t really care what they are looking at on me, but I am not paying for any subscriptions at this time, or since I have owned it, the only Maps or music other than AM/FM or appt etc etc is only from my phone…
But I do know that when I log into Toyota Manuals and Warranties | Toyota Owners that I can see my mileage and service records from the dealer and recalls and other neat stuff, so they are getting some kind of data from the truck…
He posted this this morning…
“I found out over the weekend you can “Decline” Connected Services Master Data Consent in the Toyota App. But when you do, there is an occasional audible nagging nanny message you’ll get that says there is a Communication Module Failure Detected.”