Why drunk drivers survive the accident and the victim in the other car does not

And only 1 county in Florida is completely dry and one which allows ■■■■ sales, not liquor. Maybe so it doesn’t cut into moonshine sales. But both are surounded by wet counties.

Both counties are in the northwest of the state in areas that are more accurately described as “southern”.

Two other groups that I am aware of, though it has been a very long time, General Conference (our church) and Northern Baptist. Those groups may or may not still be around.
I did not know Florida had any dry counties! When I lived in Utah, wine and liquor was purchased at a state run liquor store. You took your bottle to your favorite bar and bought the setup which cost the same as a mixed drink in another state, bars only served 3.2 beer. My previous assignment was at an altitude of about 50 feet, going to 4500 ft the low alcohol content still got you drunk.

“It’s a damn long time between drinks”, is usually attributed to one or two 19th Century NC Governors, but it became a popular sentiment in the 1930s, among people who were traveling from DC to Atlanta via RR train. Even though Prohibition had been repealed, bars on the those trains were kept closed while they traveled through both NC & SC because those two states did not allow liquor to be sold by the glass.

We used to visit my aunt in Greenville, SC. I recall hearing about drinking clubs. They were the only place that you could get a drink. Members would get their bottle from a bartender when they arrived and return it when they left. Fraternal organizations like the Elks were quite popular tor this reason. This was in the 1950s and 60s.

In the '80s & ‘90s, I ran periodic Group Counseling sessions for kids with an alcoholic parent. Almost all of those kids’ fathers spent their evenings at the local Elks Club.
Just saying…

My mother and father joined the Elks in the mid-1960s. After he died she kept going. Both drank, but not excessively. Eventually she started dating again and met many of her beaus at the Elks. I never saw any of them drunk.

That local Elks Lodge was clearly different from the one in the town where I worked. While the Elks Clubs perform good works in their local communities, there were a whole lot of mothers and kids in my school’s community who cursed the name of that group because of its association with their alky family members.

YMMV

Free Will Baptist is another one of hundreds of different types of Baptist churches, and yes the 2 biggest are the ones jtsanders mentioned, my dad graduated from the Free Will Baptist College in late 60’s, it moved from Nashville to Gallatin some years ago and changed the name to Welch College…

Just to name a few other major Baptist groups are the Primitive Baptists, Progressive National Baptist Convention, Reformed Baptist Church, New Testament Association of Independent Baptist Churches, North American Baptist Conference, National Association of Free Will Baptists, National Baptist Convention of America, National Primitive Baptist Convention, Baptist General Conference…

The only thing she will understand is incarceration. Jail or mental hospital. Her choice. No parole either way.

Not on personal freedoms though. They rank 22nd.

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/personal

Fun fact. 3.2 beer regulation is alcohol by weight. But by volume it’s really 4.0 which is how all other beers are sold by.

Most lite beers are 4.0. Ergo all those lite beer drinkers have been drinking 3.2 all along.

This site places Florida 2nd in overall freedoms.

And the very same site you referenced but overall freedoms not specifically personal freedoms

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/overall/florida

Considering just one personal freedom index - gun rights, places Florida 38th nationally. Yeah, that seems very wrong.

Florida also places 16th in alcohol freedoms, that also seems quite wrong.

I have been a n=member of a Southern Baptist church for over 50 years. Never met a moonshiner. We are barely a denomination in the traditional sense. Each church is independent and autonomous.

We own our own buildings and hire and ordain our own pastors.

We may or may not send delegates to the national convention. The convention may vote on and pass resolutions, but those resolutions are not binding on the local churches.

There has never been a nationally accepted set of doctrines. The closest we have come is statements of faith that have been proposed but never agreed to by the churches.

The only thing we generally agree on is that Jesus is the son of god and that the bible is the revealed word of god

@oldtimer-11

Sounds okay in my book :blush:

I’d rather have both but if I had to pick I’ll keep my personal freedoms over economic freedom any day. If you wish otherwise more power to you. I’m not the least bit offended or concerned. It’s your life to live. Each his own.

Here is a video of what a head on crash would be like between a drun.k driver in a Mitsubishi Galant who runs in to a not at fault Ford Fusion. The not at fault driver turns away from the d.runk driver and ends up being the one who is killed. Both vehicles are about the same weight. The Galant is rather heavy at 3480 pounds.

These oblique crashes are especially bad because the crumple zone in one of the vehicles basically isn’t used. So there is almost half as much space to absorb energy.

Looks like they switched the positions of the vehicles in another test. This time, the Galant is the victim car. It holds up better than the Fusion did. So if you want to survive this kind of situation, don’t drive a car that just does the minimum for safety. Have you seen how flimsy the door beams are in the 2007-2012 Ford Fusions? The better safety of the Galant is able to overcome the disadvantage of this type of crash. It would be interesting to see what would happen if it was hit by another Galant.

Uh, that would be being liberal is the opposite of police state.

We had a joke many years ago about cars needing alignment:

‘Conservative’ vehicles pulled right…

‘Liberal’ cars pulled left …

‘Libertarian’ cars - well you never know which way one of those was gonna pull :joy::joy:! Wheel aligner techs didn’t wanna touch 'em.

Uh, No, I meant what I said and this may help illustrate it.

Mustangman, The thing about that chart is that libertarian left doesn’t really exist, because some authoritarian government is needed to force people to pay the taxes needed for socialism.

Back to the topic, here is an honest comparison of the two cars I previously used as an example. These real world like crashes from IIHS are rare. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6eRTWP9Yas&t=166

Whether red or blue, people riding a bike, or a horse or an easy chair, or walking, should not be subject to drivers license penalties, or just sitting in or sleeping in their cars. I understand the emotions but that doesn’t mean the law should be perverted. In Duluth a guy was arrested for driving his motorized easy chair. They even confiscated it and sold it on him. Most of Minnesota is red except the large cities so enter at your own risk.

We had a fatality near here. Head on. Both wearing belts and the bags deployed. Passenger was killed but driver survived. Trying to figure out in my mind how That could have happened. Driver should have taken the brunt of it. Patrol still investigating.