Suzuki Cerelos had it in 1988. The NSX in 1990 and the EV1 in 1995.
It was new technology. It must be engineered into the car because it takes up more space than a hydraulic rack and some cars did not have the space. Other got a motor assisted steering column instead of an assisted rack. And finally, power electronics have come quite a way since 1990.
I still recall riding in my uncleâs brand-new 1957 DeSoto Fireflite. In order to demonstrate the âsuperiorityâ of its power steering, he tore a thread from the hem of his pants, tied that thread to the steering wheel, and proceeded to steer the carâat expressway speedsâwith the thread.
Being a child at the time, I was impressed, but after uncle departed for home, my father explained to me how our lives had been endangered by my show-off uncleâs demonstration.
â â â â â â â â . Wifeâs 07 Lexus and her new 2024 Crown have low profile tires and the ride is NOT bumpy one bit. I can only assume youâve never driven a vehicle with low profile tire.
When one doesnât fail the cost is ZERO.
The older vehicle - BY FAR.
â â â â â â â â . State your source.
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My Lexus NX 450h+ has â50 seriesâ tires, and the ride is best described as luxurious, even though it also has excellent handling.
Itâs safe to say nobodyâs currently building and selling street-legal vehicles in the USA that meet @TheWonderful90s âs âeccentricâ requirements
And like @VOLVO-V70 said . . . Iâm not going to bother doing his homework for him
Imo, most street-legal vehicles actually meeting his requirements would probably be pretty old, fairly fuel-INEFFICIENT and definitely far LESS than any new vehicle for sale here
I honestly think heâs just musing, knowing that only old vehicles and those that arenât street-legal meet his requirements
In short, he knows he canât get satisfaction and I donât know why he started this discussion
The key lies in choosing the right recommended cold tire pressure combined with appropriate spring rate springs. Usually a lower spring rate with lower profile tires to overcome the lack of shock dampening sidewall.
Our 58 and 61 Chevy wagons had manual steering but our merc had power. Either one was ok but one finger was all that was needed to turn the wheel. In modern times, our cars with power steering were hard compared with our newer acura with electric. More like the old days.
Our neighbor was a very fussy shopper. When he bought his 63 bel wire, h3 found out the springs in the impala were better. He made them put impala springs on his new car. That raised the rear end so that he had the only raked 63 Chevy in town. He was quite proud of himself but how he figured th3 proper tire pressure is unknown. Never talked about it and dead now.
Even the one with manual steering?
Sounds like a cultural thing:
Americans like steering they can âblow onâ, Europeans (and Asians presumably) prefer steering with at least some weight and feedback, even on higher-end models. This Yankee leans more toward the latter.
A couple if the Basa Pro arvâs are eps equipped. Dad wishes heâd bought his Yamaha Kodiak 450 with it but supply was tight at the time. More of a workout but he didnât want an uncertain wait. Still gets put to work on the property. Towing a field mower and the utility trailer full of yard debris.
Our 2010 Prius is on 15â wheels and Iâve suggested a new radio woth backup camera as an upgrade. Only needed $130 with labor to replace the original low beam headlight bulbs. Enough stuff to move aside to just have our trusted shop do the work on short notice. $40 for the bulbs plus labor. Only needed 12v batteries,tires &tpms, and routine maintenance in 16.5yrs. She did another 400mi trip this week only filling the tank and checking tire pressure.
Dealer didnât know if the bumper had to come off to change the bulbs wanting her to stop by.Not bothering particularly if the quote was going to be double the indy mechanic like the last t8me
I didnât know that hydraulic power steering was a thing of the past for all passenger vehicles!
Lotus being the exception for steering feel.
You didnât know because . . . as your user name makes painfully obvious . . . youâre hopelessly stuck in the 1990s
Fuel economy standards increased efficiency by 5% each year from 2012 to 2021. This was a political action, not a practical one.
A 2020 revision reduced the annual increase in efficiency to 1.5% each year.
With current fuel economy requirements, the majority of new cars must be hybrid or electric. How can you operate a hydraulic power steering pump while the engine is off or nonexistent?
Millions of cars from the 1990âs and 2000âs have a shift lever interlock button under a cover in the shift lever housing, nothing new. The real difficulty is with electronic shift levers (no cable).
I have replaced many leaking power steering hoses and rack and pinion assemblies, they last half as long as the pump.
Electric power steering is much more reliable.
Kia just had to pay a lot of money because their cars didnât have that feature. You think theyâre going to remove it for you?
Spend some time working on cars for a living and you will see why electric is better. Hydraulic power steering is bulky, heavy, messy, and has many failure points. Also canât have it on a hybrid vehicle.
If by that you mean the rubber oil pump drive belt thatâs inside the oil pan, Iâm not a fan of that either.
The sensors donât deploy the airbags, the Airbag Control Module decides when itâs appropriate to deploy which airbags based on information from many sensors around the car. SRS systems are required on cars just like seat belts are. So good luck with that.
Why donât you move to Mexico and buy a VW Beetle? They made them there into the 2000âs:
Thatâs Kia propaganda. They didnât put even basic tamper proof fasteners on their ignition cylinders that even restroom stalls have. Toyota has to have the key to disassemble. Ford Fusion has special screws with heads that break off. So a single screw driver and needle nose pliers can remove it and operate the switch in seconds.
I believe you. But Toyota has make a system that has worked reliably for over 2 decades. The Ford Fusions had massive failures of an expensive non serviceable part, the EPS, but they warrantied it.
That too but the âwet beltâ for timing on the Ecoboost. Rubber fragments can clog the oil pickup.
Itâs mostly a problem on Fords and Subarus. Other companies have better designed airbag systems. Even if the airbags donât deploy, itâs another part that has to be replaced after a minor accident.
Actually a good idea. You can buy Suzuki cars there too. More freedom to buy what you want. I could ride a donkey t.o! No tariffs either. The Peso has actually done well against the USD.
Mexicoâs import tariffs for non-NAFTA/USMCA qualifying goods range from 5% to 50%.
Why would Mexico be any different than the rest of the world?
2023 and older Toyota Tacomaâs all use hydraulic power steering, all 2024 and newer Toyota Tacomaâs use electric power steeringâŠ
I have a tight spot in the garage for it and thatâs where it is really helpful. Even moving it around without starting the engine, the EPS is super helpful. Since I got it, I bought a used Boss hydraulic V plow that is pretty heavy and if it was manual steering, I think that would be super tough to steer.
Awesome your Dad gets a lot of use out of his. I end up using my lawn tractor most often because even though I can disengage 4 wheel, the rear axle is still locked. Tight radius turns tend to tear up the lawn. Similar to your Dadâs situation, I couldnât get the open rear with the other features I wanted but at the time I thought it wouldnât be as big a deal as it is for lawn work.
So itâs more of a recreation or work in the woods deal. I would like to get a set of tracks but those cost almost as much as the ATV did at the timeâŠ
