What new cars have older features and reliability without the newer complexities and styles?

I use similar (not quite) on 2 of my dogs when they ride, in the back, with me… lol

We could have used one of those when I was a toddler. We were on an exit ramp and the front passenger door swung open. I was riding in the front and started to tumble towards the door. My father grabbed me before I got far and still steered the car through the turn.

Well, what can I say? Our parents and grandparents did the best they could and if you are reading this, you probably survived your childhood…

We were not coddled, we were allowed to ride out bicycles to school, we play tackle football, baseball with a hard ball, dodge ball, and if our team lost, we learned that we needed to try harder… There were no “participation trophies” only the camaraderie of knowing we did our best…

I remember when I outgrew my “Car Seat” and my mother who carried my younger brother in her arms while we were in the car, moved my brother to my Car Seat and I was now a Big Boy who could stand up on the rear seat and move around…

In the early '70s, my son also rode in one of those Car Seats… My “little boy” is not 54-years old…

The kids who tumbled out of those child seats, and who died as a result, are DEFINITELY not 54 years old.

Before we begin claiming that something wasn’t really deadly, simply because one’s own child survived, think about the reality that this wasn’t true for all parents and all children.

I never implied that life was safe, or easy, or young people did not die young, but those items were the best we had at the time. How many of the members (including yourself…) had parents that let them, as a child, ride in the front seat and when the parent slammed on the brakes quickly reached over with their arm in the vain attempt to keep the child from flying into the dash…

I would lie on the package shelf under the rear window.

Title of this thread, newer complexities, reading the new thread about the backup light switch. I remember when backup lights were optional, I had numerous cars without backup lights.

My father’s position on options, other than radio and heater, was: just something else to go wrong.

When shopping for my first car, looked a a 59 Ford convertible, my dad complained it had power steering, salesman said " you don’t want power steering, just cut that belt". I ended up with my 1960 Dart.

Our local elementary & middle school has all of those activities to this day. The kids ride their bikes & scooters to school although now many of them are electric assist. :smile: They play tackle football with the local athletic association. The school has a baseball team and they can participate after 4th grade. They play dodgeball in gym. They keep score for all school related sports teams…They do not, however, have asphalt under the monkeybars… :rofl:

GM’s A/C was legendary.

Question: Did the other manufacturers eventual buy or license GM AC systems?

I remember Chrysler and Ford having compressors that looked like V twin engines! Of course my memory could be faulty, plus AC was not common in MN in the 60s. As far as blowing ice cubes, none-GM, MOPAR, or Ford R12 that I had were as good as current AC systems.

Dad’s '63 Polara had that V twin compressor, that Airtemp A/C cooled off QUICK.

The A/C in my '71 Charger was okay, but it couldn’t compare to the A/C in the Olds 98 that I drove when I worked for a limo company. The A/C in that Olds was so good that I think you could have stored meat in that car. And, those V-twin compressors were nowhere near as smooth-running as the rotary compressors in GM vehicles.

Our 64 Cadillac cooled down quickly. Quite a feat for such a big interior. In high school we went on a triple date and I drove. Two couples sat comfortably in the back.

Oh I couldn’t disagree more. You’ll be hard-pressed to find a modern day A/C system that works as well as a late 60’s GM system. Having air vents located in the rear of the passenger area is certainly a benefit to cooling the cab, but the target vent temp on a brand new car is roughly 10 degrees higher than it was in those old cars. Of course they were big and heavy and seriously impacted engine operation, but they were terrifically cold when working properly. The switch away from R-12 didn’t help things either.

I had a 69 Olds 98 and I recorded a vent discharge temp of 34 degrees. Nothing today comes close to that. Ford/Lincoln and Rolls Royce used that GM system for a number of years.

Yeah I remember charging the old R12 systems in the shop with a fan pushing air across the condenser and getting vent temps with the blower on low speed (fast moving air causes friction and friction causes heat, for the non A/C techs) around 32°… I just checked the vent temps on a 2014 Caddy something, (1/2 way in my garage, no fan on the condenser) and only got 45°… I haven’t checked my truck with the R1234yf yet…

Heck (R12 systems) you could walk away for a little bit and come back to frosted over windows it was so cold in the car with ambient temps in the mid 90’s…

Mercedes Benz used the A6 also…

Jay leno has a 67 chrysler imperial that he was offered from the original owner with dual a/c compressors. Turn both on and you’re freezing in a short time.

My 70 Cutlass Supreme would get to comfortable after about 15 minutes, never really ice cold. My 72 Buick Electra, same, AC was okay. Maybe I was just unlucky with AC shops. My brand new 84 Dodge was no better. The last R12 system I had was a 91 Mustang, when R12 was no longer available I cheated, without doing anything just put in R134, mixing it with the R12, then it worked great though it was not supposed to work at all!

Sure a blend will work. The compressor doesn’t know what it’s pumping. The big thing about switching to R134 was the old mineral oil wasn’t compatible with it. The second thing was that some condensers just didn’t dump off enough heat to work effectively with R134, and that created higher pressures that the old Harrison A6 compressor wouldn’t tolerate.