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Wanted: A normal car if they still make them

I don’t think that a Hyundai Venue will meet the definition of a normal vehicle for this person . What ever a normal vehicle is.

The Tacoma TRD models are available with a manual transmission but are a big compromise in economics.

Stop/Start is a government mandated feature so all cars will have it.

Do you have anything to back that statement up ?

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most autostop starts have a switch to turn it off. -Perhaps you should fly to Poland or Russian for a car you want ?

People that keep a car for 400,000 miles are even rarer than people that prefer manual transmission vehicles.

Here in the northeast, the salt will kill the car long before 400K unless you put some big miles on it annually. My 2007 Honda is showing early signs of salt death and I’m only at 200k.

My wife’s 07 Lexus with over 250k miles shows ZERO signs of salt death. Car lived it’s whole life in NH with occasional trips to real snow country (Central NY).

We finally sold my 98 Pathfinder with over 450k miles to my daughters Ex boyfriend. He junked it at around 500k miles a few years ago (I think 2015). He just gave up maintenance and just it go.

Back in 1962, I was looking for a “normal” car in my price range. I bought a 1955 Pontiac. It had a manual transmission. I considered a manual transmission to be normal. Well, for a Pontiac of that year, the manual transmission wasn’t normal. In 1948, the first year Pontiac offered the Hydramatic transmission, 85% of the inline 8 cylinders and 50% of the inline 6 cylinders were sold with Hydramatic. By 1955, the manual transmission in the Pontiac was not normal. The shift linkage never worked smoothly. I had to have new bearings in the transmission. I would have been much better off with the Hydramatic. The Pontiac I bought was the low Trimline 860. The oil filter was optional and the Pontiac I bought didn’t have the optional oil filter. Even though the engine had just been overhauled, I had problems with the oil passages to the rocker arms sludging up.
A mechanic I had worked for when I was in high school had told me that in buying a used car, to stick with the Fords and Chevys. This was advice I should have taken. Bypass oil lines were available for the Fords and Chevy 6. If I had waited, I could have purchased a “normal” 1954 Chevrolet from a family friend that had the PowerGlide automatic transmission which had become common.
Today, I think my mechanic friend would recommend a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic. These are today’s normal cars.
I should also mention that I owned a bottom of the line AMC Rambler Classic 550 that I bought in 1965. It had a manual transmission. While I was a poor graduate student in 1969, it developed a transmission problem. There was no AMC dealer in town. I sought out the best independent transmission man in town. He had to order the main drive shaft and main drive gear from a dealer 55 miles away and the parts were shipped by bus. The transmission man told me that when I was ready to buy my next car, to buy an automatic. The automatic was the normal. The 3 speed column shift manual transmissions were troublesome as the design dated back to the late 1930s when engines were less powerful.

It’s not mandated, it’s government-incentivized. They get credits for various measures meant to reduce fuel consumption, and one of those measures is the start/stop feature.


I drive very enthusiastically, 190000 miles or so on my '93 Miata, still original clutch, still no signs of it needing replacement.

I would guess the “incentive” is meeting CAFE gas mileage standards.

Yeah, by giving them “off cycle credits” worth a given increase in their mpg rating because the EPA takes into account the idea that they aren’t using gas while sitting at stop lights.