Test drove a 2019 Silverado with the shuddering 8 speed transmission, what a disappointment. The fluid had been changed supposedly by last owner probably to try to fix the shuddering, it wasn’t major but it was definitely there. 60k miles and its potentially ready for a new 10k dollar transmission! Looking at all the other vehicles out there and most have known problems! Major issues.
I have a friend with a 2021 f150 with the shuddering banging 10 speed transmission, so Ford is no better. Well rick get a Toyota you say, well a guy at church bought a new Tundra and it needs an engine! Didn’t make it to 20k miles.
It has gotten absolutely out of control the cost of engine and transmission replacements and repairs and the fact that engines and transmissions are grenading so soon in new vehicles like the 6.2 gm, the 8 speed and 10 speed automatics, camshafts failing, JUNK timing belts ruining ford engines, putting belts in back of the engine so the transmission has to be removed to replace it, you name it.
I heard a top mechanic say that he is at the point if a vehicle is new enough that it doesn’t have an ash tray then he isn’t interested in it.
Back in the “bad old days” vehicles were relatively cheap to repair even if they did need work. And you know what? They really didn’t. When you factor guys like Bill “Big Daddy” Whitlow was turning back the odometers of almost every late model used vehicle in Texas back in the 80s, then when a car was worn out at 100k miles it usually really had more like 250k on it.
I believe the peak automobile was 20 to 25 years ago, Cheap to fix and reliable overall. I don’t know where to go from here. Very disappointing and frustrating, even my 89 Caprice with its “weak” 200r4 transmission isn’t a shuddering banging mess.
My 2012 Toiyuta Camry 4e cyliner bought new in 2011 has needed one repair. I had to spend $20 for a windshield washer pump. Other than that it has been fluid changes wiper blades,tires and braskes. Still shifts smoothly.
The cars from mid 70s through the 80s were pure junk until they got the emission controls figured out.
My 2019 F-150 has the 10 speed. There was some very faint torque converter shudder about 2 years in. The dealer changed the transmission fluid, updated the software and it’s been fine ever since. I do know of the CDF drum issues, but so far so good. Also, No GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, or Stellantis full sized truck has a timing belt.
Are you and your friends dealing with bargain rides? They are often inexpensive because they need significant repairs. Those repairs may be the result of abuse. My old cars from 30 or more years ago were the ones that needed the most work and they were mostly new when I bought them.
You mean American cars? My wifes 87 Accord was one of the most reliable vehicles we ever owned. Over 300k miles with less then $500 in repairs. The rest was just PM. Her 80 Datsun 510 was mechanically a great car. But it was rusting out in 5 years.
A lot of the issues with the transmissions today is software issue and higher mileage worn valve body bores not allowing the hardened spool valves to seal properly… Yes there are some other issues, but even some of those can be traced back to improper fluid control/pressures…
The 3rd gen Tacoma gear hunting can be slowed down by using the ECT Power button, but OTT has a tune (software upgrade) that corrects it…
200-r4 cars had weak underpowered motors. No torque and low hp. And they still worked “ok”. They had no complicated solenoid valve bodies like todays trans.
One advantage of “the bad old days” is that cars were easier to repair. I bought a new Oldsmobile Cutlass in 1978. I kept the car 33 years and drove it 240,000 miles. When the original alternator quit, I bought a replacement at NAPA with a lifetime warranty. I had two more alternator replacements bur the replacements were free. I did the same thing with the blower motor for the heating and air conditioning system. I could change those parts in 15 minutes. I had to have the blower motor replaced on my Sienna minivan. I looked up the procedure on the internet. It was certainly more inbolved than just lifting the hood and having the motor easily accessible.
However, at my age, I don’t do repairs or maintenance on my vehicle. I am glad to pay to have the work done.
Many of the problems I’ve heard about with trannys is when they start packing more gears into the case. More gears = higher temps. High temps is a tranny killer.
It was at a Ford Dealer, they were asking 38k. I offered 29k on account of the shuddering transmission and they said that it wasn’t an issue and they would knock 100 dollars off. No thanks!
The Ford was purchased at a ford dealer, it was a creme puff, the 10 speed is known for being a shuddering banging mess and this one is no different. It doesn’t do it all the time. Ford says its Normal. Junk!
The Chevy I test drove was at a Ford dealer. it was not bargain priced. Look up Chevy 8 Speeds, class action lawsuits. Junk!
I believe he has had the TSB done, its better but still shudders sometimes.
The Ford engine I was referring to be the 1.0 ford with the internal timing belt. Junk! It shreads and trashes motor.
The Chevys with the baby Duramax have some sort of internal drive belt for the oil pump I believe, transmission must come out to change every 150k miles, if it really lasts that long. Junk!
Key word here is “mostly” new, if it was anywhere near Texas its likely Big Daddy Whitlow turned the odometer back. If it wasn’t there were Bill Whitlows all over the country back, then. It almost certainly had been clocked back.
