The Underappreciated Drum Brake

dave:

It sounds like G o d just needed one of his angels back.

So sorry her time to lighten up her world was so brief.

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The fact is they ARE better for cars for much the same reason they ARE better on big trucks. I have seen plenty of disc brakes with the rotor friction service rotted and delaminating, I have seen no drums with that condition.

Disc brakes are good for those that drive like banshees, which is most, the ones that are either on the accelerator or brake pedal, treating each as a binary switch.

For severe service conditions, heavy haul or when reliable economical operation is a no compromise component of the situation, such is that on tri-axle dump trucks, then drum brakes are just what the doctor ordered.

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He’s got a good point here about driving styles:

You got your 1) Stop-go-stop-go-stop-go gotta keep up with the back end of the vehicle in front of me

and then there’s those 2) who nurse the gas/diesel for a slow constant roll, and almost never have to apply their brakes.

I’m trying to be more in the second camp, even though I’ve got a 1) behind me, lol!

Folks in cars (ā€˜four wheeler’ things): pay attention to how people on top of ten or more wheels (semis, buses, motor coaches, etc.) drive, and try to emulate that.

Very sad and unfortunate. Life is not fair. That is very young, much much too young. Remember Andy Kaufman? He was older but still in his 30s when he died of lung cancer.

Yet some who smoked for 50 or 60 years do not seem to get it. Its all about the lottery in life it seems and many get a raw hand dealt to them that they in no way deserve. One of the reasons I have alot of issues believing in a higher power. Im not saying I don’t but come on man

I’m always fascinated at the sight of a car/truck that is tailgating another vehicle (in front of me), and whose driver has to hit/his brake every 30 seconds or so, while I am able to cruise along without doing that, simply because I leave a decent distance between my vehicle and the one in front of me.

Those are probably the same people who complain about lousy gas mileage and/or how often they have to replace their brake pads. :smirking_face:

Quite a few years ago, I was driving to work on a rural road, and I noticed that the new Volvo wagon in front of me was showing brake lights very often, despite no cars in front of it, and only a few gentle curves in the road that wouldn’t require braking.

When I pulled into the parking lot at work, I realized that this new wagon was driven by a co-worker. At lunch, I advised her to have the dealer check the brake light switch at the earliest opportunity, because it was clearly malfunctioning. She thanked me for that observation.

Fast forward a few weeks, and she told me that her husband had ridden with her the previous day, and he had observed that she kept applying the brake for no reason at all. Because of what both I and her husband observed, she had–probably for the first time–some awareness of her driving habits.

Then, there are the people who brake on an uphill grade :smack:, even though they are already driving slowly. For all of the folks who keep applying the brake, even though there is no reason to do so, I think that this bumper sticker should be required:

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With all due respect . . .

Perhaps you should turn in your driver’s license and stay off the road

You’re clearly holding up traffic, endangering the drivers around you and probably making everyone upset

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A pet peeve of mine! Commonly found approaching a highway overpass in any lane. Either a throttle lift or actual brake and then return to speed on the downside. Very noticeable since I use my cruise control a lot.

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How about the cars that you see accelerating away from a stoplight, with the brake lights still on?

You disagree with genetic predisposition to disease???

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+1
While it represents only a small percentage of lung cancer cases, the fact remains that some people will develop that disease as a result of their genes.
Familial risk for lung cancer - PMC.

And so should all the truckers who engage in the practice, I guess.

You know, you and Volvo could both be less critical toward me in exchange for my attempts to be nicer after my suspension. What I got suspended for wasn’t much worse than your statements above.

Most of it.

I’m a techy guy. We tend to think along the lines of GIGO:

Garbage in, Garbage out. Applies to the human body as well as to buggy computer code.

Your behavior was much better right after you were reinstated

It’s gradually reverted to what it was before your suspension, imo

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There is only one possible reason - cost, and I bet it’s not that different. Oh, and of COURSE you don’t see drums in that condition, that would be impossible, unless you have x-ray vision. I’ve pulled off many a scored drum with shoes below the rivets. Out of sight, out of mind…

Best brakes = disc brakes, for the important reasons, like stopping quicker and not fading nearly as much.

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Yupers, I have a not so rare neurodegenerative disorder, but it is pretty rare in someone my age (mid 40’s when diagnosed), so I got a 20+ year head start over most that have it… lol
But Wait There Is More!, both my parents had cancer and my dad had heart disease, my 12 year older brother had cancer, so not only do I have being wheelchair bound and drooling on myself as well as a 50% chance of dementia, before you take into consideration that both my parents have/had dementia, as well as a good chance I will have hallucinations with this disease, I will also probably have cancer and or a heart attack…

Basically I am screwed later in life… :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Poor Chris Hemsworth was informed that his genes make him 8-10 times more prone to Alzheimer’s than the average male.
Yikes!

The operative part of your statement.

When certain folks refute every single thing a person says in a forum like this, it can push that person to the edge. I’m trying not to return to that edge.

Aren’t you then saying that genetic predisposition to disease is real? Doesn’t that mean that the buggy code that my genes have predispose my kids to heart disease? I mean grandma died of a heart attack at 51, Dad had 3 heart attacks between 42 and 75, uncle Lou died of heart attack at 49, I had a triple bypass at 52, two of my cousins…

If Kia builds cars with bad engines and Nissan builds cars with bad CVT transmissions, doesn’t my family build people with bad arteries? :grinning:

Nope, quite the opposite.

And my apologies for coming off so unclear. That has been a ā€˜disease’ of mine since my teens: Family, friends, peers, colleagues have consistently interpreted my statements to mean the opposite of what I intended, and I’m at a loss as to how to fix that!

I was using ā€˜buggy code’ as analogy for the p i s s-poor diet and bad habits that many members of the population have:

Daily consumption of what we call junk-food, or, bad habits such as cigarette smoking, and excessive alcohol consumption. lack of even light exercise daily, or 3-4x weekly.

That garbage goes in, and the garbage out = chronic illness, obesity, out-of-control blood sugar indications, cancer, emphyzema(I can’t spel for beans!), and other afflictions.

Nothing genetic at all.

ase:

I once exposited, on another forum, my distaste for Daylight ā€˜Saving’ Time, which ends early next Sunday morning in the U.S., along with a rather long-winded explanation of how DST works, what the apparent affects are when the clocks are changed, etc, and guess what:

Readers interpreted my exposition on DST as that I was in favor of it, either part-year or year round!

How in the Sam H e c k did they come to that conclusion after I listed so many disadvantages of the practice?

Is my style of writing or of speaking that obtuse, that so many recipients place me on the side of an argument opposite of the one I’m actually on?

Most people either like DST or they don’t like it plus there are always articles with pro or con views.

All you needed to do was say ( I don’t like DST ) and you are done.

Knowing how the practice works helps people to form a knowledgeable choice of whether they prefer it or standard time.

Ask any member of congress or the news media:

They’ll tell you, with a straight face, that turning the clocks ahead actually adds an hour of sunlight to the day.

That’s the (albeit unintentional) misperception of Daylight saving I’m trying to dissuade. In doing so, I have been misinterpreted as being in favor of it. I am not. I prefer the time we are about to switch back to - Standard - in a few days.