The Underappreciated Drum Brake

Does that mean you came here to spread misinformation? I limit foods with any sweetener to cut calories. I even limit no calorie sweeteners. That doesn’t mean I eliminate the, just limit them.

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The only element of truth in this is the lower cost of the HFCS, leading to cheaper prices and higher consumption.

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There are several “Real Doctors” (board certified with decades of experience) on social media platforms who are taking a stab at stopping all this medical misinformation out there. There are a quite a few so-called Doctors giving medical advice on social media platforms that are Doctors of Chiropractic and NOT medical Doctors. But they have the title Doctor, so uninformed people listen to them. And then there’s the idiot RFK spewing his scientific misinformation and blatant LIES. He’s going to get people killed with the nonsense he spews if he hasn’t already. What people don’t know is he has a agenda. He belongs to a group of people who believe the best way for humans to survive, and advance is through the Survival of the Fittest which will bring us back to times when the average lifespan was 40 years old.

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… and that is why the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine is attempting to correct the dangerous misinformation that RFK Jr is spewing:

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You came on here to be a contentionist pita.

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Actually my views on everything, from door placard tire pressure to daylight saving(prefer standard), speed limits(stay at or under) to high-fructose corn syrup, etc. are my real views, not just on this forum.

And that is why you ruffled feathers, offended many people and got banned

How’s your approach working for you?

Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, last time I checked

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I trying to be more diplomatic about it, by explaining the reasons behind my positions on things, vs snapping at someone as in the past.

db I was born disadvantaged, which means I had to exert more effort and try harder than everyone else just to stay a few steps behind them in life, let alone keep up. In school I had to study material for an exam two hours for every one hour a ‘normal’ classmate needed to, and I sill got a B where the ‘normal’ classmate scored A or A-. So I guess those circumstances shaped my views on things.

As far as tipping apple carts, saying that one(myself) prefers staying on standard time, for instance, is an unusual and suprising preference.

As is making the effort to drive withing a 5mph window below whatever a highway’s speed limit may be posted at. EG: 52-53mph on a highway where 55 is posted, minimum 40. Even if most other drivers are going 60-70mph in the lane/s to my left.

Those are shocking and suprising practices to many.

Explaining your behavior doesn’t make it okay, btw

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I’m not defending my previous behavior on here.

Like I said, my being so different than the 99 percent - in life not just on a car community - sometimes makes me lose my cool, but I’m workin on not letting that happen.

Drum brakes fade faster under constant use because they trap heat, while disc brakes stay cooler and recover more quickly. Older cars without power-assisted brakes often required heavy pedal pressure, sometimes even two feet to stop. Power drum brakes helped but were often overly sensitive. For example, a 1971 Ford Maverick with non-power drum brakes needed more effort to stop than a heavier 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon with power disc brakes, showing how disc brakes greatly improved braking performance and control.

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Actually apologizing to those of us who you insulted with your bizarre responses would be a good start if you want to gain any acceptance in this forum.

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Alright, apologies to you, db, and anyone else who I snapped at.

Just realize that I am at odds on most subjects with most people online. But I will try to remain civil.

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Welcome, @John-Smith056 , sorry you’re joining in the middle of a number of non-drum brake-related posts. I agree with what you’ve said, my ‘72 Duster with drums stunk, brake-wise. For ‘fun’, read through this thread starting on #1 to see how your opinion is shared by the vast majority of folks here.

So did my '71 Charger.
Unfortunately, I wasn’t aware at the time of purchase that two superior braking systems were available (heavy-duty “taxi” drum brakes, and front disc/rear drum).

I bought it at the end of the model year from dealer stock, and every car in his storage lot had the standard (inadequate) drum brakes.

I’m sure if one drove within their means, drum brakes would give satisfactory service.

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Except when you need them in an emergency. “Sorry, I couldn’t avoid hitting your child, but the brakes work fine otherwise.”

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Brakes should be powerful enough to enable the driver to make a panic stop from expressway speeds without severe fade once he got the vehicle down to 30 mph or so. That vehicle wasn’t unique for its time, in that severe brake fade would take place under those conditions.

Obviously, you never experienced that type of hair-raising experience, otherwise you wouldn’t be “sure”.

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Since your favorite topic seems to center around tires, were you aware that as recently as the '70s, the load capacity of tires on most American cars was so undersized that putting more than 2 people into the car would overload the tires?

Just as manufacturers were not particularly interested in providing adequate brakes, they were just as disinterested in providing tires with adequate load-carrying capacity for as many passengers as the car could carry. A family going on vacation, with a full trunk, would be riding in a car whose tires were WAY beyond their safe load-carrying capacity.

Or, would you try to argue that a 5-6 passenger car only needed tires that were adequate for 2 passengers?

But, to return to the topic of lousy drum brakes, should manufacturers have installed a governor to limit their cars to speeds at which their brakes didn’t fade? Or, should they have placed warning labels notifying drivers that they shouldn’t drive faster than 50 mph as a result of the inadequate brakes? Which “solution” would you have preferred?

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