MJ,no thanks-Kevin
I'm not sure if you guys are aware of this . . . Ken Lay is technically innocent
Yea…he probably was technically innocent…but that doesn’t mean he didn’t break the law. He was scum…the whole Enron corporation were scum. The company was formed for ONE purpose…to cheat good hard working people out of their money while the principles make MILLIONS.
My mother was a good believer in out of every bad situation comes good. The good out of Enron was the demise of Arthur Anderson. Just in my humble opinion anyway. But they sucked us dry and sent over wet behind the ears kids.
Hello there - I think this one’s starting to drift back out again away from cars again, though sometimes these subjects loop back around.
I'm not sure if you guys are aware of this . . . Ken Lay is technically innocent, because he died before being able to appeal his conviction.Actually technically he was convicted ie.guilty. He just didn't like that fact and wanted a different outcome.
Well the battery powered vehicles are capable of good performance,some of the older high performance vehicles didnt have that great a range either and batteries will improve if we can double the capacity from what we have now,I dont see why they arent viable,How fast we forget and we can keep the manus from dumbing them down to a maintenence headache,I think we have a winner and again I applaud Tesla for being upfront with their problems-Kevin
I blame consumer greed, for self centered greedy consumers not willing to shell out extra for a car with limited range and that can’t just be filled up in a minute or two at any gas station.
I’m going back off topic . . . fully aware of the possible consequences
“Actually technically he was convicted ie.guilty. He just didn’t like that fact and wanted a different outcome.”
I’m well aware that he was convicted of the crime
However, because of those technicalities I mentioned, he did not die “guilty”
Because the possibly lengthy legal process hadn’t finished, at the time of his death
Sadly, I could envision a world where a savvy lawyer could have gotten his conviction overturned on appeal
It’s easy to imagine such a world, because OJ wasn’t convicted of murder
Speaking of greedy consumers, How many folks here have a Tesla? Raise your hands-none?
Ok next question. How many folks want someone else to buy a Tesla? I’m counting. Its been my experience that its really fun spending other people’s money.
Doesnt matter to me what you buy,I would sooner fill my vehicle at home then have to deal with rude attendants,trust me the electric car will come of age when the manus figure out the economics,remember these consortiums are powerful when they work together,GM,Mack and several others were able to effectively get rid of effecient intracity transport-Remember King oil and war has given us this burgeoning population on the earth,when the nitrates and fossil fuel are gone,there are hard times ahead-Kevin
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Big Oil and Big Auto are nothing compared to Greedy Evil King Consumer who force Big Auto to make what they want by not buying the products they don’t want. The same with public transportation. Even with highly tax payer subsidized fares, the busses and light rail cars here are mostly half empty thanks mostly to King Consumer opting to drive cars instead of riding the public transportation.
Doesnt matter to me what you buy,I would sooner fill my vehicle at home then have to deal with rude attendants
What attendants? You live in NJ? I haven’t dealt with a gas-station attendant in a few decades.
New York, London, and Paris have massive public transportation systems and their downtowns are still clogged with cars.
@BLE ,not to mention its not availible in a lot of places.
A -little historical city near used to have a metro bus system back in the seventies,now its back by popular demand and from all appearences doing better then ever,if you dont have it you cant use it,
Now tell me truthfully,if you lived in a place like NYC, would you own a car?-Kevin
Several cities are ideal for mass transit, like NYC, Boston, Chicago and San Francisco.
Others, not so much. Dallas has one of the largest light rail networks in the country. Is it a success? Well, it’s running at about half the load planners claimed when it was proposed, and fares pay only about 12% of the total operating costs, and nothing towards the cost of building it. It’s paid for mostly by an additional sales tax. So is it nice to have? I guess it is, but the cost to benefit ratio is REAL high…kind of like the Tesla S…(just to stay on topic).
Same deal with a lot of things,eh?(airliners,suburbans,etc)-Kevin
“What attendants? You live in NJ? I haven’t dealt with a gas-station attendant in a few decades.”
Why does this myth persist?
I live in NJ, and my contact with gas station attendants is probably no more extensive than what people experience in other states.
I have been pumping my own gas for…well over 45 years…and I have never been challenged by a gas attendant. In fact–most of them thank me (with a shout from a distant area of the gas station) for pumping my gas myself.
I will grant you that there is a huge population of “sheep” who are under the delusion that storm troopers will emerge to arrest them if they touch a gas nozzle in NJ. However, in reality, NOBODY has ever been arrested or charged with any type of offense in NJ because he pumped his own gas.
The lazy segment of the population in NJ apparently loves this “requirement”.
However, they later squawk when they wind up paying big bucks to replace their carbon canister, as a result of the gas jockeys consistently overfilling their tank.
I will continue to pump my own gas in NJ, and I will be better-off financially as a result…
@kmccune, while those old gas hogs might go 2 blocks per gallon, at least there are gas stations every two blocks.
And when I graduated from college in the mid70s, I seriously considered a job in lower Manhattan. The HR department at the company gave me prices for efficiency apartments and a parking spot. Parking was almost as much as the apartment rent. I could have lived in mid-town, taken a taxi to and from work, then taken a taxi somewhere every night and still saved money over owning a car in Manhattan. No, I would not have had a car.
Truthfully I would not live in NYC for many reasons, least of which I’m not welcome there, but if I did, I would still want a car or two. I would get claustrophobic not being able to get out of there. How sad that some have never ever in theri whole lives seen anything except the big city and the wornders of the rest of the country and world.
In Minneapolis when they put in the light rail going from downtown to the MegaMall and airport, all of a sudden the hoods that used to be downtown, were now riding the rails. They’ve been causing theft and mugging problems all along the line. There are a bazillion cameras in the MegaMall though and security like Disney so not so much of a problem there. Sometimes there are unintended consequences with mass transit systems.
A car in Manhattan is not only unnecessary, it is a burden. Any of the other boroughs are different. I probably would want a car if I lived in Brooklyn and I think I’d only want to go to the Bronx to see the Yankees.