I have a question for those EV drivers. Does the high torque at zero RPM make the EV difficult to get moving on an icy street?
Iāll wait for JT Sanders and other EV owners to provide a full answer, but I can tell you that with my PHEVāwhich is driven as an EV 90% of the timeāI have never experienced a loss of traction. But, I do drive it in āEcoā mode most of the time, which reduces throttle response. Andāof courseāit has traction control and stability control, plus my Michelin Cross-Country 2 tires are excellent in winter conditions.
The car can stop a wheel from turning as easily as it can start it. Just because all the torque is available doesnāt mean the car applies it. ABS and Traction Control are required on all modern cars, not just EVās.
I have a HEV with eCVT, traction control and AWD. It is probably the most sure footed vehicle I have ever had even on all season tires.
I donāt have problems on slick roads. Then again, we havenāt had much snow/ice since I started driving the 2/28/2023. I have no reason to drive now while we experience snow/sleet and freezing rain.
Same as a gas car. Only if you have a lead foot.
Back here in the MId Atlantic I find it āamusingā that Northern drivers donāt appreciate that itās not the inch of snow that matters but the glaze of ice under the snow.
You may have great Winter tires but nothing but studs tracks on ice.
That depends on the temperature of the black ice. At 25 below it has pretty good traction especially with good winter compound tires.
Iāve posted a dozen times about the greater risk of ice formation around here than snow. Ice happens nearly every night whereas snow is less likely to occur. Northeastern suburban and rural roads are very skinny with large oaks and pines 12" from the edge of the pavement. The pucker factor is high in these parts. Thereās a few people on my road running studded tires as they are legal here. But good winter tires are very effective as well. I bought some for my Camry for the first time some years back and the traction they provided was nothing short of amazing. They never lost traction in the worst conditions. And they donāt make that annoying noise going down the road ![]()
Itās in the catagory of an old āless-matureā driver. On my previous Mustang the traction control light would show it was engaged, did not make much difference. My guess Ford made it less intrusive on Mustangs than on their grocery getter/soccer mom vehicles.
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When I first switched to dedicated winter tires (Michelin Arctic Alpine), the improvement in tractionāeven on icy surfacesāwas amazing. And, perhaps the most important part was a significant reduction in stopping distances on winter road surfaces. Later, when I bought Michelinās X-Ice tires, they were even better than the earlier Arctic Alpines.
Nowadays, I donāt have to drive in the worst conditions, butāso farāIām very pleased with my Michelin Cross-Climate 2 tires.
This morning, my friend had to drive to work over roads that had not been salted, due to a drastic shortage of rock salt in this area (only main roads are salted, and side roads and streets are not treated), and he reported no problems getting there in his Forester, shod with Michelin Cross-Climate 2 tires. It did take him about twice as long as usual to get to work, but he said that he never lost traction.
Love that ice. We cleared the driveway with the snow blower yesterday. When we went out this morning, thereās 4ā of ice on the driveway, no snow underneath. Our friend across the street didnāt use the snow blower until this morning. She was able to clear her driveway.
This is something I wrestle with every storm. If you clean up early and it rains/sleets and then freezes, you get a glacier. If you wait, sometimes it just makes a crust on the snow. But sometimes, it turns into a slush layer that freezes and itās another glacier situation that is even harder to clean up. One time I had to live with a frozen slush, rutted up mess for two weeks until it thawed again. Since then I take my chances with the ice. At least then I can use saltā¦
We got 18-20" here. Took me 13 hours to clear it all including 5 ft drifts on roof that needed to be dealt with. Every door was completely blocked with drifts. Hereās one-
Oh, and a 4" dusting this morning too. So around 2 ft all said and done.
Here is the stuff I have to deal with nowā¦
The power lines are normally above the roof line and are hanging over 5 feet lower than normal, should be an incline going from above the roof to the pole⦠Canāt do anything with it until the power company clears the very large tree branches off the power lines 1stā¦
My poor Pine trees, they look pitiful nowā¦
The tree in the back ground in the neighbors yard lost 2 of the 3 main base branches, are now on the ground⦠I have 6 damaged trees from the ice storm⦠We just aināt setup to handle that much ice, we had over 1/2"ā¦
I have probably 50+ branches hanging (broken) or laying on the ground and most are 15ā to 20ā branchesā¦
Yes we were one of the ones that lost power in TN, 15 hours with no power, used the gas logs fireplace to stay warmā¦
You guys up north can keep this c r a p⦠We were hoping for the 15-22" of snow they said we might get at 1st, but noooo, we got 4" and then ice on top of it⦠![]()
Sorry to hear that. We were worried about ice, but just got 2ā or so of sleet. Of course, itās now like concrete, but no major power outages, unlike 2021. Iāll try chipping away at it in a bit.
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Quite a few years ago, my neighbor couldnāt motivate his teenage son to use the snowblower as soon as the snow stopped, or even on the next day. By the time that they decided to attack the accumulation, it had frozen so hard that the snowblower was useless.
I am rationing my remaining salt supply right now, because there is a major shortage of it in The Northeast. After using the snowblower yesterday, I put down a narrow trail of sand so that I can walk to my mailbox without breaking any bones. Hopefully, I will be able to get more salt⦠soon⦠especially since there is the potential for another storm Saturday night-Sunday morning.
To keep things on an automotive note, some of the places where I drove today had not been plowed, and my Michelin Cross-Climate 2 tires provided incredibly-good traction, with no loss of traction at any time.
I like this reminder because most young driver problems start with impatience, not bad skill. On slick roads the torque is not the issue if you use a light foot and let traction control do its job. Good winter tires and extra following distance matter more than what powers the car.
Our driveway is clear now. Our daughter and her husband came over today. We took care of of their kids and they finished the driveway. We still need to do the sidewalk and dig out a 5 foot wide, 2-foot deep pile of ice in front of the mailbox. Mrs JT said sheād do the sidewalk tomorrow. Since I have heart disease, she wonāt let me do it. I will work on the mail box when she goes to her motherās place tomorrow. Iāll ask for forgiveness later.
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We only got 12ā of snow here, nothing unusual for here. We were all supposed to move our cars so our lot could be plowed. Only one jerk did not move her car. She got the call but refused to do it and the building manager is not given the authority to have it towed. Her parking space is next to mineand there is only one space between ny space and the building and when I got back from the grocery store my spot and hers were the only ones not cleared and I had to shovel mine out. I was very ticked off and piled all the snow I had to move behind her car except what I could shove underneath it.



