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By CRT you mean a television in your house, correct?
I’m certain he’s talking about the cathode ray tube in the dash of his Riviera back in the 80’s.
Didn’t Deere try this too? In their case, they tried to force Deere equipment owners to go to Deere authorized shops, and Deere wouldn’t allow independent shops to work on their equipment, even with a subscription.
The fault code will clear upon the first trip after replacing the faulty component, and the readiness monitor will show complete.
It’s a small expense for the DIY’er as well. We’re quibbling over the cost of a couple plates of sushi.
I think they’ve been fighting to preserve their proprietary technology, their quality, and their image.
Didn’t some high-ranking government official just sign something like that…?
That really wasn’t the point but yeah both my rivieras had the cathode ray touch screen for diagnostics and system operation. When they went dark they still functioned if you know where to touch the screen but just couldn’t see the results.
The point was no schematics were available to rookies, just to service centers.
Yes, I remember that. A way ahead of it’s time attempt at an infotainment screen.
Thanks ase for clarifying, and Bing for later confirming that.
No, we’re quibbling over the principal of it. At least I am.
What exactly does registering my device do, by the way? How does that prevent the issue they claim to be preventing? As long as my device is capable and registered, I can use it. They have no idea HOW I am using it…the real reason is quite transparent, almost laughable in it’s lack of validity…
I just can’t help myself responding to one of the comments. Seems to zing right over his/her/thems head. The riviera touch screen was far more than the beginning of an infotainment system. While driving, you could access o2 sensor response, long and short term fuel trims and other diagnostic information before ob2. Select of course radio and tape features, heat and cool controls, trip information and destination information. Program messages like happy birthday to pop up at the appropriate time while driving, and much more. It has been years and my memory is fading, but calling it an infotainment system is bazaar.
Had it not been stalling on me that no one could find the cause, I probably would have driven it well into 700,000 miles. Instead I junked it in 2010. My second riviera and had two at the same time.
And yeah I’m not a novice. I’ve done brakes, wheel bearings, timing chains, exhaust, body work and painting, struts, and you name it. I’m well versed in economics, finance, business, psychology, politics, law, home repairs, electrical, plumbing, shingles, and concrete. Also have a little electronic training and can shoot with the best of them. I’m not a 3rd grader, so quit insulting my intelegence.
Yeah I’ve had ground school too but coouldnt afford flight school like my dad.
I’m sure by now you’ve looked up what AutoAuth is and does, and why it’s supported by OEM and aftermarket alike. Is it a perfect solution? Nope. But because unscrupulous people will always find away around a firewall or security barrier, does that mean we shouldn’t even try?
Look, I agree with you on the principal of it. I can’t stand that I need to verify with OKTA on my phone to access my time card or that I need to use Microsoft Authenticator to log into my laptop to do my work. Yeah, it’s a pain to have to register my scan tools to use them on certain vehicles. If it were up to me I would remove all those safety devices. I don’t want any of it. I also don’t want a guy walking down the street with a tablet cloning my key fob to steal my car. I also don’t want the guy down the street tampering with his engine system to roll coal just because he thinks it’s cool, or the used car lot programming out a fault code for a counterfeit airbag.
So what functions do you think should require registration and possibly licensing? Keys/antitheft? Emissions modifications?
Apologies if I or anyone else insulted your intelligence.
Perhaps infotainment wan’t the right name for what was introduced in that Riviera 40 years ago. Touch screen, more broadly, might make more sense to call it.
I’m in agreement that this is a money grab by auto manufacturers. Many are struggling to stay profitable.
They’re gambling they can get away with this. And they will unless buyers flock to competitors.
Years ago GM talked about how ‘telematics’ (meaning subscription services, I think that’s what they called it) would be a big driver for company profits I doubted it at the time. Wrong again!
Only the things that would risk compromising personal information or changing vehicle programming.
All bi-directional diagnostic functions used in diagnosis and repair should be available. I should be allowed to reset diagnostic codes and monitors. I cannot change anything fundamental or access sensitive data by initiating diagnostic functions or viewing data used in diagnosing faults.
Many mfrs already allow the duplication of keys using embedded functions. You need at least one original key to make a new key. If you have no functional keys, then you should need to visit an authorized service center to generate a new master key.
Over the air software updates already happen. I see no need for individuals to be able to alter any embedded code or software. That should be locked down through the diagnostic port. No access to personal data through the diagnostic port. Tuning should be limited to a sub-set of the parametric data and not allow fundamental changes that would compromise the regulatory certifications.
This kind of segregation of public versus private access is simple to implement. Even my corporate phone has two “identities” that are protected by a firewall, encryption and other protection measures. I can do everything a normal phone can do but when you want to access my corporate profile or data, it requires 2FA, it’s encrypted and locked down from any unauthorized access.
The reason they don’t do this is simple. This is a convenient way for them to get what they wanted all along- locking in service revenue. This is where the real profit exists for them- recurring revenue for their authorized service centers…this is the first step of erosion…it will continue.