Quick Survey: What’s Stopping Enthusiasts from Going Electric?

Well there are buzz words which you know that bring the comments out. You know them all.

The survey is highly biased against ice propellants.

As the forums least educated member, I took the survey, I saw nothing political about it, it did mention environmental impact (or whatever) but it let you put it at the top middle or bottom (or somewhere in between), now I wish I was more verst on some of the alternative fuels as I am a gasoline forever type of guy, and I am not up to par with the others on other fuels… I did not however read the Information sheet: thingy, too many words and I don’t really care what college you are going to or all that it intel’s, not my cup of tea… lol

I am not opposed to EV’s and or Hybrids, just don’t want them shoved down my throat… I considered a couple of hybrid’s last summer (don’t tell anybody, I have a rep to keep up) when I bought my truck, but went with a regular old ICE with terrible around town fuel milage, but I don’t drive many miles a year anymore, so there’s that…

I do however highly respect the acceleration of some of the EV’s and Hybrids, I just prefer the sound of a V8 with a tight SLA (Lobe Separation Angle)…

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The survey listed alternative fuels a few times, whished it had been more specific. Ethanol? Biodiesel? Methane? Several possibilities, with different plus/(mostly) minuses involved.

Mmmm sweet, sweet ethanol… high octane, cools the engine, makes power!

Helps to mix with a little gasoline… maybe a synfuel mix?

I’m in the flash card section. You’ll have to explain it to me.

I didn’t see that either. Please explain this to me. I’m in the flash card section, you may recall.

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I was about to have to google flask card to see WTH you was talking about… :joy: :crazy_face:

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Spellcheck strikes again.

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Hydrogen is not a fuel, it is just a storage medium and not a particularly good one. There is no free hydrogen floating around and it will always require more energy to separate it from whatever it is bound to than you can get for burning it.

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Why do you have to write a Thesis to get an international business degree? Sounds like a job that DOGE would eliminate.
Where’s a cheap place to live and get a business degree? Ah, London.

It’s fairly standard in the UK and other EU universities to undertake a research project (Thesis) towards the end of your degree regardless of what you study. Some universities allow you to drop it at the undergrad level but it’s worth a good bit of credits!

Also definitely can’t recommend London as a “cheap” place :joy:

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This is an excellent point, a lot of “green” technologies aren’t as green as they appear which is something I do cover deeper in my research :slight_smile: Likewise im also partial to synthetic fuels for similar reasons (although not quite muscle car… jealous lol).

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Some years ago my brother in law was visiting relatives in Norway. One day they took him to see their classic car collection. All American classics. They love them, same as here.

At some point a group of people came up with the idea that the planet was dying and the only way to save it was to eliminate the use of fossil fuels, and convert everything to electricity. To some of us it seems an attempt to reinvent the wheel. A free public looks at alternatives and make personal decisions. When these decisions don’t fit, attempts are made to force compliance.

So to me the thesis started with what do we have to do to convince you morons to comply? What do the manufacturers need to do to achieve these results, and so on? We never ask if this a flawed idea to begin with? We never consider the poor condition of the grid or the consumer costs involved. We never consider how easy it would be for an enemy to create havoc by disrupting the power supply.

As a business major, I just would have liked to see a deeper dive into the whole issue. That’s all.

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I completely understand where you’re coming from and you do raise valid points particularly around consumer costs, grid condition etc… As I mentioned I’m partial towards synthetic fuels purely on the basis it would allow me to keep the cars I love running for many years to come. Naturally then it would be far easier for me to say let’s just keep fossil fuels and call it a day.

Unfortunately this is where the business element comes into play, and it’s incredibly difficult to make this justification given wider market shifts, innovation and infrastructure development.

My actual thesis is founded on the fact that we as enthusiasts (as a majority, not everyone) seem to be most reluctant towards the EV shift which is supported by various data, and this is what I’m aiming to explore. I want to highlight that to us cars aren’t just a tool to get from A to B but we often perceive them as having a “soul”. And by highlighting this we can push for innovation which actually better meets our needs, whilst still aligning with current trends in the market (which is currently an eco trend).

I hope that makes sense?

Which synthetic fuels, exactly?

About 4 months ago, Accenture did a survey of North American drivers, and they found that 54% planned to buy an EV during the next decade. Only 11% of those who were surveyed declared an absolute “no” to EV ownership.

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Here’s another reason.

Massachusetts Tesla charging stations intentionally set on fire, investigators believe - CBS Boston

This is the reason for the Tesla Plaid, the Porsche Taycan, Ford’s Mach E (I refuse to call it a Mustang), the Lucid Air and the coming Corvette EV (and more). Each is trying to capture that special something that their buyers want in a car.

Cars have always been a symbols of lifestyle to people. Even those cars that refuse to BE symbols of “lifestyle” that become symbols… I am thinking of what the original VW Beetle became in America… Economy car owners who lament: “I am frugal and don’t need a car to define me”… and yet it does! The big 4x4 truck owner some say is a substitute for the lack of substantial man-parts while they drive away in their Prius wearing their “green cred” on their sleeve for all to see.

Whether we agree or not, the cars we drive says something to someone about who they think we are!

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But we also have this McKinsey study that showed 46% of EV owners in the US would likely go back to an ICE vehicle. Also shows a whopping 29% of global buyers would go back to ICEs as well.

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Perhaps the same people who don’t plan on buying EVs also don’t fill out syrveys. I know I am a member of both groups.

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