The answer to that question is so obvious why ask it. It is a sad statement of the times we live in. But who or what taught this lack of value to the generations?
The flip side of the coin is that there are people and businesses out there to make a quick buck and sometimes the legal system is needed. Let’s not kid ourselves and think no one has ever been screwed going to the mechanic. Honest mistakes happen, but not all mistakes happen honestly. Which case is this is the question.
Does anyone really do anything different simply because a letter arrives at your home with a lawyers title in the header? Everyone knows it just a scare tactic for a lawyer to send a letter,what does it cost.and maybe,just maybe it works. But expecting a lawyer to rattle a company like JL to alter their company polices by just making a pnone call or sending a letter,not going to happen.
Hey boss they got a lawyer we better turn over the tape,sure bet,not.
Another MikeNH attempt to put a spin on saying something dumb.
Nice personal attack oldschool…
Again you’re arguing against something I never said…So typical…Please show me where I said anything about sending a letter or making a phone call…I have no idea HOW anyone can possibly interpret that from what I wrote.
If there is a tape and it MIGHT show that JL is at fault…A lawyer can easily get a subpoena to get the tape. It’s NOT difficult. REREAD the post…The OP said a tape exists…I NEVER said it existed…I have no idea if it does or doesn’t. If it does exist…it’s considered evidence.
Worst place to go for anything for your car.JIFFY LUBE stay way from there if you care anything about your car.
Its in your blood Mike to never admit you were wrong,you just keep spinning trying to wiggle your way out of it. Hey at least you have my screen name right this time,remember all the age related name calling a few months ago?
On what grounds whould a judge order personel property turned over? And you don’t think JL would appeal any order to turn any thing over? after the first failed attempt by a lawyer all your money is spent. Are you going to keep paying a lawyer to fight JL for the tape,we are talking hundreds in damages,you don’t spend thousands in lawyer fees to POTENTIALY collect hundreds in damages.
Oldschool…That’s a blatant LIE.
I noticed you just RESPOND to my posts saying I said one thing without actually posting what I said…
Here is exactly what I said…It’s only 3 lines long.
Get a lawyer FAST. A lawyer can get a subpoena to see the tape. You have every legal right to view that tape.
Did they do an oil change?? Or just the inspection?
This is just one more reason to stay away from places like Jiffy Lube.
Here’s your FIRST personal attack which turned into a subthread about suing JL…Which I NEVER EVER SAID.
First answer “get a lawyer” gets five stars? who ever did that is impaired.
Now here’s your attack AGAIN and arguing against something I never said…AGAIN…
Does anyone really do anything different simply because a letter arrives at your home with a lawyers title in the header? Everyone knows it just a scare tactic for a lawyer to send a letter,what does it cost.and maybe,just maybe it works. But expecting a lawyer to rattle a company like JL to alter their company polices by just making a pnone call or sending a letter,not going to happen.
Hey boss they got a lawyer we better turn over the tape,sure bet,not.
Another MikeNH attempt to put a spin on saying something dumb.
So typical of you oldschool.
Now you’re saying I won’t admit I’m wrong…I just PROVED where you blatantly LIED…You know exactly what I said.
On what grounds whould a judge order personel property turned over?
HUH…It’s done all the time. JL admitted to the OP that a tape exists. The OP believes that JL screwed up the inspection…I don’t know of any judge who wouldn’t turn it over.
And you don’t think JL would appeal any order to turn any thing over?
Of course the would…SO WHAT…
Here’s what bothers me about this whole tape thing…If it exists and JL says it proves that they didn’t do anything wrong…If I was JL…I’d be showing this to the guy and possibly his lawyer.
Are you going to keep paying a lawyer to fight JL for the tape
I know…that’s what corporations do. They FIGHT AND FIGHT and hopefully the plaintiff will just go away…Doesn’t matter if there’s a legitimate complaint or not. If JL was in the right…WHY WON’T THEY LET THE OP SEE THE TAPE??? What do they have to hide???
Are you going to keep paying a lawyer to fight JL for the tape,we are talking hundreds in damages,you don’t spend thousands in lawyer fees to POTENTIALY collect hundreds in damages.
Getting a subpoena is NOT going to cost THOUSANDS…Couple hundred bucks at the most. BTW…won’t even need a subpoena…All the guy has to do is take JL to small claims court…Once he’s filed a claim against JL…then JL MUST turn over all evidence…That tape is considered evidence…JL can NOT fight that.
The tape being evidience is debatable,the tape being the personal property of JL is not. We are not dealing with a crime or a injury,this will play heavy in a judges decision to sieze personal property.
In getting a search warrant in a criminal case it must be stated exactly what is being sought,no fishing expeditions allowed. To get a judge to order personal property siezure in a civil case the plaintiff better explain exactly what the expect the tape to show and even then JL can appeal. A lawyer would not even get involved in this much work for less than $2500.00 just to start.Thats why it was dumb to suggest to 'get a lawyer" and even dumber to get 5 stars for the suggestion.
JL is not going to roll over and let their property siezed for a “couple hundred of dollars” once one person is allowed to confiscate these tapes the door is open for all to demand them,JL will fight this first decision to the death.
The tape being evidience is debatable,the tape being the personal property of JL is not. We are not dealing with a crime or a injury,this will play heavy in a judges decision to sieze personal property.
I decided to check on this with our corporate lawyer who sits 3 doors down from me.
If there is a tape and the OP feels that the tape will show that JL screwed up…the judge will require JL to produce the tape. The judge may be the only one viewing the tape. But JL will be FORCE to produce the tape.
Thats why it was dumb to suggest to 'get a lawyer" and even dumber to get 5 stars for the suggestion.
I don’t know where you’re getting your figure for $2500 for a lawyer…For something like this…It’ll be a lot less then that…unless the OP want to sue them…But I specifically said to get the Lawyer to Subpoena the tape (IF IT EXISTS). I still don’t know if it exists…Just going by what the OP said.
JL is not going to roll over and let their property siezed
No one ever said anything about seizing the property…Just viewing the tape. And I’m still very surprised that JL would NOT be forthcoming with the tape IF it shows them NOT to be at fault. And it’s also in JL’s BEST interest NOT to fight showing the tape. It’ll cost JL far more fighting this then it would to admit they screwed up and pay for a new engine. If I was JL…If the tape clearly shows that no one was underneath draining the oil then it’s in JL’s best interest to allow the tape to be viewed before the lawyers to get involved. What are they hiding??? There’s a reason JL is actually taping their oil changes…to PREVENT lawsuits.
Its all may,may,may.No one knows how the judge will react to the OP’s feelings that the tape is revellant. The judge will appraise the OP reasoning. For your corporate lawyer to so sure as to how a judge will act shows he does not know the latitude of a judges discretion.
Can you just tell a judge you just have a “gut feeling” there is something on the tape or in the companies documents and he gets a look? what about JL rights too privicy,just like with a jury you can not 100 percent predict how a judge will react. But you do have to put your money up for someone to get a look,feeling lucky?
The judge will look at the case in total in making he decision,like taking into account the lack of credibility established by the OP’s story of 20 miles of operation with no oil. JL has rights also and the judge knows this.
In thinking this over further I think the OP must fill suit first before a judge will order that he gets a look at the tape. Why would a judge order a look when there isn’t even a suit filed? The discovery phase comes after a suit is filed,so file suit then we can talk about confiscating the tape,lets get the order of things right here.
Ditto.
And since the OP was not behind the wheel of the car during this escapade they better make sure that their son who was at the wheel also appears in court.
Human nature being what it is, I’d bet at this point the OP has not said one stinking word to JL about not ever raising the hood to check anything.
The OP has stated that hubby cursed and complained about even being asked to check the oil level in HER car so this is likely a trait passed on to the son by DNA.
I’d also wager none of that will be mentioned to a judge if it goes to court either; again, human nature trying to CYA.
Its all may,may,may.No one knows how the judge will react to the OP’s feelings that the tape is revellant. The judge will appraise the OP reasoning. For your corporate lawyer to so sure as to how a judge will act shows he does not know the latitude of a judges discretion.
Actually NO…If there’s a tape (again not sure if there is one) and there’s a even the slightest chance JL screwed up…then the Judge will order a viewing of the tape. No maybe at all.
Can you just tell a judge you just have a “gut feeling”
NO.NO.NO.NO…That is NOT what I’m saying…The OP will present his facts…like he had tune up from them and right after that his engine blew up. There’s a good chance the guy underneath the car might have thought it was an oil change and drained the oil (or most of the oil). And no one added oil back in. No gut feeling…This isn’t psychic…there are some other facts (as we were told by the OP). The tape is NOT hiding any corporate secrets or financial information, or trade secrets.
In thinking this over further I think the OP must fill suit first before a judge will order that he gets a look at the tape.
Maybe…An arbitrator may get involved. As I said before it’s in JL’s BEST interest to produce the tapes if it shows them doing the right thing. That’s the whole reason they were ever taping in the first place.