No heat and temperature gauge going up and down


#1

I have a 2002 Nissan Sentra. In Nov. 2010 had inspection done and replaced upper radiator hose at that time. Right after that, I had no heat and the temperature gauge would go up to hot but then come right back down. Brought it back to mechanic, changed thermostat and both things ok only part way home. Started riding with coworker only driving to her house 7 miles away and still temperature gauge up and down, stopped driving completely in Feb. Just brought it to dealer who replaced thermostat and worked fine all the way home and then started all over again the next day. Seems to happen faster at higher speed but will eventually do it in any driving conditions. Today service engine soon light came on. Obviously not thermostat problem. Could it be water pump? Dealer did pressure test and that came back fine so no head gasket problem although don’t have a lot of faith in that since problem still exists and they thought thermostat would fix it. Don’t want to keep spending money on possible problems, only actual ones. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


#2

Have you personally checked the coolant level? Not just the overflow bottle but the radiator also. You have air in the cooling system. I am not familiar with your Nissan engine but I have seen your exact symptoms in other “known to be difficult to burp” cooling systems. It needs to be filled properly and “burped” if it has an air pocket in the system. On some cars this involves removing a plug in the block until coolant flows out. Again I am not sure if Nissans have a big issue w/this.

How does the coolant look? Another cause for air in the cooling system can be a head gasket issue, combustion gasses getting into the cooling system. Shops can test the coolant for this but you said that a pressure check was done and ok. It is still possible that a head gasket leak into the coolant may not be found by a cooling system pressure check but if done carefully it will usually tell. You don’t mention if the engine is running any different, is it? The check engine light makes me suspicious but we need the code. A lot of chain autoparts stores will pull the code for you for free (AutoZone, Advance Auto etc.) Get the code read and report back.


#3

I agree. This sounds like an air pocket in the cooling system. You’d think, however, that a Nissan dealer would be able to figure this out and correctly bleed the air from the system.

Have you checked the coolant level in the radiator? If not, you need to do so right away. When the engine is COLD, the radiator should be completely full.


#4

Something to try:
Park on a steep incline, pointed up.
Let the engine cool.
Fill the radiator.


#5

All good suggestions, but also try replacing the thermostat. Twice in one night for me with the same suggestion, but if it barks, it’s a dog.


#6

kizwiki - thermostat has been replaced twice at this point. I could believe one bad thermostat but 2 with different mechanics installing them. Possible but not likely.

circuitsmith - how long would i have to let engine cool? Just trying to think of where i could go near me with a incline that wouldn’t have to sit for hours unattended.

Checked the radiator this morning, not full, added antifreeze, service engine light went off. Also regarding head gasket, I have checked oil and tailpipe (on advice from others) and oil is clean (no foam or milky color) and no stickiness on tailpipe to indicate a leak anywhere.


#7

One thing you could try is to disconnect the top heater core hose, and fill the heater core. Then, using the highest point you have on the cooling system, loosen the hose clamp, and start it (the motor). Keep your eye on the loosened clamp, and the area around it for antifreeze to start bleeding through. Once the air has escaped, tighten the clamp.

I had a 3-series BMW that had the water jacket through the intake, and the hose leaving the intake had to be loosened to get the air all out. It was a PITA, but it worked. had a Renault 5 that was similar, but it had a tiny stopcock buried back there I had to loosen. Took me hours to find it.

Good luck!
Chase


#8

“how long would i have to let engine cool?”

Cool enough for safety.

You could make some makeshift ramps out of lumber etc. since you won’t be getting under the car.


#9

Coolant level…coolant level…coolant level. Head Gasket…Head Gasket.


#10

I suggest you have the coolant tested to see if exhaust gases are getting into it.


#11

And the likelihood of the head gasket failing on the same day the radiator hose was replaced?

The OP hasn’t posted back, which tells me he got the air purged out of his cooling system and moved on.


#12

Well, if the trouble is due to a faulty headgasket the trouble was most likely there before the radiator hose was replaced. Perhaps the hose had a leak and replacing the hose changed things with the pressure in the coolant system and now these things are happening due to that. I hope I am wrong for the OPs sake but the symtoms of trouble mentioned make me think they still have a problem whether they come back with a reply or not.


#13

One idea to consider is that it might be a bad connection on the temp sensor that links to the temp display inside the car. Replacing the radiator hose could have accidentally pulled that wire loose. Easy to check, so worth a try. My first guess is like what the others say, the coolant is low or there’s an air pocket somewhere. Be sure to run the heater for a while when you are driving here and there, something this can help bleed air pockets. You need to find out what the problem with due speed though, as until it is fixed, this problem could potentially damage the engine. Good luck.


#14

I was going to start my own thread until I came across this one. I’m having the same issue with my 2005 Civic. I took it down to the same shop who did my 100,000-mile maintenance four months earlier and he said it was an air pocket and did the burping thing. However, it’s still doing it. I have checked the oil per a friend’s suggestion for the milky/frothy and that isn’t there (will check later today for the sticky residue on the tail pipe). The OTHER thing going on with this situation is my engine light now stays on steadily for the last few days as well as when I go to start my car after it’s been sitting (mornings, leaving work parking lot, etc.) it will be chuggy/sluggish and rattle-y making me have to rev the engine a few times for it to settle down before I can even go anywhere. Not sure if these two would be related but these “chuggy starts” began occurring a short while after this temp issue. It will also seem a bit sluggish when accelerating from a stop if that helps.

Thoughts??


#15

“my engine light now stays on”

Get the trouble code(s) read from the engine computer. Then post here. They will look like ‘P0123’.

Some parts stores like AutoZone will read them for free.


#16

Hopefully there won’t be a P0421 code showing up.


#17

Luckily it wasn’t…but it WAS P0134…oxygen sensor… which is actually what I was thinking it was as, from what I’ve been reading, that will cause my temp issues…correct?

The one thing that bums me out is they also found P0300 which means they didn’t do something right with my spark plugs as they should not be misfiring when I just had them changed four months ago. Or, would this be another symptom of above?


#18

P0134 could be the front O2 sensor, or the wiring that goes to it.
P0300 could be a lot of different things, including the O2 sensor.

The general rule is to address the lower number code first. It may correct the higher one.


http://www.obd-codes.com/p0134

http://www.obd-codes.com/p0300


#19

Thanks for the advice! :slight_smile:


#20

Just an update: after taking my car to my local garage, they decided to reset the check engine light to see if it comes back on with the same code to be sure it IS the O2 sensor before making the repair. I honestly have never heard of a shop doing something like this before as it seems most are desperate to wrench away and throw me a bill. Is it a legit form of practice? I wasn’t charged or anything for this so the only thing lost is simply the time of my car hanging out at the shop and not really having anything done to it.