@wesw and MB, not sure what happened there. Did it really bleep “stuff”? The filter apparently needs some tweaks.
no. my mistake. it bleeped out porn. I thought I had typed stuff. then it let porn show. now its gone again and I edited stuff out and put porn back in and it showed all I said. now I look again and my edit is gone and the original post is back.
@cdaquila , p-o-r-n is the word I used. I kinda get why it was bleeped, but it really isn t obscene, it only describes obscenity. anyway, sorry. I wasn t trying to be obscene
Yeah, that’s a little lame. I took it out and cleared out a few other words that might cause a similar problem. Such is the problem with filters; this is an experiment and I’m not sure I’ll keep it in place.
@wesw I don’t know what this has to do with cars or trucks or boats or lawn mowers and really don’t care to get into deviant behavior, but I would have to disagree with you. Those types of magazines were around way before Playboy. You could only buy them in the bars though and PXs although I was too young then. I also tend to dispute that reasonably adjusted humans have their behaviors determined by media, print or otherwise. That’s just an excuse for censorship. Not to disagree that playing aggressive and demeaning video games won’t cause some more aggressive behavior.
@Bing is right. We are a bit far afield, and I perhaps made it worse by addressing the filter issue publicly. Best to get back off this digression.
Nixon Humphrey carter and McGovern weren t exactly car topics either but I didn t complain about your political stuff
@bing, you are right of course, to befair I did not bring up playboy , hugh or womens rights. I only commented on what many others were already discussing
" I only commented on what many others were already discussing"
Yeah me too. I don’t mind going off topic a little but some others do. It was more of a tongue in cheek thing. I do get a little tired of the victim mentality where what someone says or writes is supposed to influence someone else’s behavior to the detriment of a whole population. Like car names and ads sell cars? Naw, styling, features, cost, etc. sells cars. People don’t take the media seriously.
“People don’t take the media seriously.”
Really?
Then why are so many people convinced they NEED teeth whitening, silky smooth skin, etc.
Watch enough media, and you’ll be aware of problems that you didn’t even know you had . . .
You’ve maybe got a point. I don’t care about silky smooth skin anymore but I did go out and spend $150 on one of those My Pur Mist machines for my sinus though. The jury is still out.
Wes, I agree… Playboy opened the doors for hardcore porn, and it is IMHO horribly damaging to respect for women. Whether it’s damaging to men or not is a different debate, but it definitely doesn’t do any good. Playboy was headed in that direction in the '70s, and it definitely needed the daughter’s touch. She did a great job trying to return some class to the company IMHO.
But I also believe that Playboy freed women to openly be the equals of men. It took the shame out of sensuality and actively supported and celebrated women in professional roles. It actively strived to show that beautiful women can also be doctors, lawyers, and CEOs. Hugh Hefner supported countless women in getting professional degrees and also “kicking off” careers in acting and the media. He was always known for that. Former Playmates all speak very highly of him.
IMHO his daughter Christie’s achievements go well beyond just “cleaning up” the Playboy organization. She is one smart lady. However, I think the company will fade away in the not too distant future. It has outlived its natural lifespan.
"People don't take the media seriously."
How many weight-loss devices are on the market today? It’s a 10 BILLION DOLLAR business. And people buy these devices OVER AND OVER again. If one doesn’t work…they go the next one (that also doesn’t work)…and in the end they die obese.
@MikeInNH Corect. I meet countless people who say they don’t watch advertising or it has no influence on their purchases. Then you see their houses full of gadgets and other stuff recently advertised on TV or in other media.
“Superfoods” are but one example of slavishly folowing the media and talk shows. I just bought a book called “Unmasking Superfoods” by Jennifer Sygo. It has all sorts of good info on which of these are actually better than “ordinary” foods and which are worth buying, since all these foods cost substantially more than the regular stuff. Low income people would bankrupt themseoves trying to live on all these.
There is an “organic” health food store nearby. Both people who work there (one is the owner) look decidedly unhealthy!!! And everything in it is hideously expensive!
By way of a controlled experiment, during World War II our farming family lived strictly off local European food; meat, home grown vegetables, fresh fruiit , berries, etc.
No citrus fruits, bananas, or anything tropical. Our “coffee” was chicory-based.
We seemed to have done just fine. I did get tired of eating veal. since on a dairy farm, every second calf born was a bull calf and would never give milk. So my mother developed numerous veal recipes and sold the balance.
I don’t disagree that advertising puts the name of the product out there to make it recognizable, but come on, how many have bought a Ford instead of a Chev because of the advertising?? Color choices, body style, features, etc. I guess maybe I learned at an early age of 10 when I paid a dollar for that Davy Crockett fort advertised in Popular Mechanics. I was highly disappointed in believing what the ad claimed.
OTOH I just saw a Sloal commercial with the kid riding in the back of a pick up needing a shave, and the good looking woman in a convertible giving him the eye. I’m sure its all true and maybe I should pick up a can of that there Skoal stuff.