Exactly @rodknox
@barkydog " tell you the truth, I am a brown belt in tai Kwan do"
I’m not into that high octane defense work any more…but, .I was wearing a brown belt while doing the West Coast Swing at a dance the other night and my wife sprained her wrist when she fell on a move we did when I failed to catch her in time.
Does that count ? It really has hurt me more. I’ve had to do the housework, make meals and do the dishes for the past three days.
All this talk. The kid had a 12 ga. shotgun in the car. You think he wouldn’t have used that on his mother? Plus he shot his mother with a different weapon and left it in the house. The kid was nuts and the mother was irresponsible.
At any rate, Time magazine has a long special article on the whole gun control thing. I have no idea what it says but will read it. One thing I did notice was a listing of the restrictions in each state and really it appears most are fairly reasonable except New York, California, and Connecticut. I really do believe that the wool was pulled over my eyes though before the election and gun control has been on the burner for some time just waiting for a chance to spring it. What else is coming I shudder to think.
I suspect, that a year or two from now, when all the legislation is past and the hype and fear have subsided a tad, the average gun owner / sports man with no criminal record, will not find one bit of difference in his life. More fodder around the cooler perhaps, and less able to buy an anti tank weapon but, no apparent change. As a life long gun owner, one time hunter and still supporter, I don’t or ever plan to shudder. When my " hands are cold and dead", I won’t have a care in the world. Heck, a year from now around here, we’ll still be wondering who was wearing Tom Brady’s uniform during the playoffs. It hasn’t been him.
No. 61-Close the borders and enact a national defense posture like Switzerland-Kevin
No.62-Increase the level of professionalism in the nations police forces on all levels" take the “Thug” out of law enforcement.Kevin
“take the thug out of law enforcement”
Police get an undeservedly bad name because of the movies and TV. I can’t count the number of times the villan was ultimately a cop, just to throw the viewer off, supposedly. So much so has this been done, the first person you now think of in crime dramas is a cop. This is sad, really sad…and just about as far from the truth as you can get. You would think that criminal behavior in law enforcement was a norm and somehow they are totally immune from prosecution. That they have some kind of a code that keeps all safe is rediculus. Modern city law enforcement is trained by the state, trained by the FBI etc. up the ladder and cops that don’t expose criminal behavior are guilty of negligence at the same level as the military.
It goes on…but at a very very very low rate compared to what movie gowers think. It makes good parlor talk but just ain’t true.
You want a better sampling of the type of people who go into law enforcement, ask educators. They know their kids and the types who do these jobs both local and state. Each is usually separated by academic achievement. With very few exceptions, they are some of the most trustworthy individuals each has ever had in class. In FBI, Secrete Service and national law enforcement, they are among the top in their classes academically as well as being the most honest and trust worthy people you have ever met. The thugs are the criminals !
True thugs are criminals,but these critters around here act like a breed apart and the COs sometimes were worse then what they guarded.As a matter of fact I wasnt referring to the federal level(oh my gosh-Ruby Ridge doesnt count!) I dont watch broadway as a rule anyway so I couldnt tell you what goes on,on the silver screen. When you get away from the Sheriff Andy Taylor level in a small community,you are asking for animosity,when these deputies start talking to you out of the side of thier mouths,watch out.They are public servants,the public does not serve them.
Still say we need volunteer deputies,take thier pay and give it to the EMTs and Firerfighters-Kevin
Dag, that may be true, but as one representative said yesterday evening “this is a slippery slope”. The fear is that every restriction inevitably leads to another and then another.
I predict that whatever they impose won’t make one iota’s worth of difference in these types of massacures. Or in crime as a whole, or in gun crimes as a whole. I will acknowledge that a limit on clips would likely reduce the magnitude of these types of tragedies, and I’m not against that.
I should add that our local gun stores have been far busier than I’ve ever seen them. Cars are parked everywhere, up and on roads that they’ve never been on before. I haven’t seen the gun stores this busy since…welll…ever! There was a rush like this just after the first Obama election, as people were afraid he was going to address gun control, but now the business is (pardon the pun) booming. There’ll be another million assault weapons circulating around by the end of the week.
I should add that our local gun stores have been far busier than I've ever seen them.
There was an article in the Eagle Tribune saying how gun sales were way up in NH.
There were so many cars parked up & down rt 3 in Hooksett where Riley’s gunshop is that the town had to send cops in to control traffic. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Yep, the Pres and Bloomburg have been the best gun salesmen yet. They’ve boosted NRA membership too by 250,000 just in the last month. I suspect New Yorkers are stocking up on 32 ounce sodas too while they still can.
In the meantime in Minnesota, we’re concerned about people idling their cars longer than 3 minutes. If so a ticket for you and impound fees. Even cars with remote start. For our own good and safety he says. Its everywhere folks. What was that 60’s song? “Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Do this, don’t do that . . .”
And in New York a McD’s can get fined for selling Coke’s over 16 oz.
And we wonder why people are afraid that they’re losing their rights…
Same…
A slippery slope to where. There has been one significant gun law on the federal level in the last one hundred years. All others are state and local and everyone believes in states rights. So where will his slope take us ? Fewer deaths ? The same slippery slope argument was given in car legislation. It resulted in fewer deaths and longer lasting cars. Do you think cars are worse and have you given up driving because of it ?
There will never be a law or has there been tOptionsYou and me from legally carrying a concealed weapon, which I can, buy a hunting rifle, shotgun or ammo or defense weapon, that I want. Or course, I have a permit, i take the time and money to renew it (30 minutes every four years and $25) and can pass a background check…I ain’t worried about any slippery slope other then the one outside my door way going up my road.
Are all you guys arguing agaisnt it worried that you can’t pass a check??? Do you have something to hide ?;=)
Kevin…
Volunteer deputies ? That’s called vigilantism ! We used to do that in the old west. Imagine my good buddy and our resident hospital volunteer with the power to arrest, carry a Gun and pull you and me over while driving 100 mph in an SUV.
Yep Dag,I see what you mean-My company(former) had a little experience with a vigilante a few years back,seems this guy was a Patsy for VDOT{gotta keep us badboys trying to make a living in check}-Kevin
I will acknowledge that a limit on clips would likely reduce the magnitude of these types of tragedies, and I'm not against that.
With a little bit of prep, changing out a magazine takes 1~3 seconds. Someone who is planning doing this kinda thing will likely prepare themselves in advance, buy and load as many magazines as they possibly can, and go for it. The guy who shot up Columbine had 10-round magazines in his guns at the time; look how many people he shot.
Let us also not forget about this guy:
He had a 3 round bolt action rifle
There are so many aspects to consider regarding people going off the mental deep end and the weapon/s available are obviously a significant aspect. Whether it is some twisted effort to go down in a blaze to prove a point or to met out revenge or to live out some twisted day dream the killer is usually well armed. Among Whitman’s weapons was a 30 caliber M1 carbine that was issued to Marines in the 1950s with a 20 round magazine. It was the American “assault rifle” of WW II. I carried one in Vietnam in 1969.
When you think you are 10 feet tall and bullet proof for a couple of years it can be difficult to face reality when doing so includes a great deal of humiliation.
Well, I’m quite sure I can pass a background check. I haven’t been in a fight since I was 13, never been arrested, never used drugs, honorable discharge, and so on. However I have seen how easy it is for the definitions of felony, violent behavior, sexual deviant, and so on can be made. For example, a BB gun is considered a firearm in Minnesota. Using a firearm in the city is a felony. So shooting a BB gun in town is a felony-so much for passing a background check with a felony. Any kind of domestic incident (and no I have never had one) can cause a problem in a bacground check. Having high school sexual relations (remember back then?) can cause a person to need to register for life as a sex offender-so much for the background check. I already talked about a vet being treated for PTSD. Then how about someone with a few flakes of pot who is charged with drug posession?
So I’m just saying of course no one wants a violent, felon, sexual deviant, or one with mental issues, but the definintions keep getting wider and wider all the time to the point where a good portion of the population, if they are unlucky enough to get caught, would not be able to pass the required checks.
I hear you Bing.
But, BB guns are a stretch.
While Every state is different and every state has a right to impose very strict gun laws the federal government is very lax compared to many states. In Minn. .18 cal and less are exempt…so BB guns are not weapons. Calibers higher then that or pellet guns, may have muzzle velocity Equal to.22 caliber…so to be more acurate, anything that potentially equals a .22 is considered a firearm…,that’s not a typical BB gun.
As far as the Feds…There are few if any restrictions on anyone owning a black powder muzzle loader weapon, the weapon that existed when the 2nd amendment was written. Just to show you the difference in the intent of our founding fathers when they wrote the constitution and the times they lived in, black powder muzzle loader firearms aren’t even considered firearms by our federal govt. How much more freedom can the govt. give you relative to the times when our constitution was written.
Our finding fathers were no more experts on predicting what kinds of weapons would be available two hundred years later then we are today.
Can you imagine saying right now, that there should be no restrictions on weapons two hundred years and beyoun from now, then hold people to that promise to perpetuity. How dumb would that be ? Fortunately, amendments were allowed less you think,our founding fathers were equally dumb…
I guarantee, that there will be available, weapons that can kill from great distances with no more then entering co ordintes and pressing a button. Gee, we can do that now. But, the times could make that that technology inexpensive and available to anyone if the NRA is still around. Guess no teachers will flunk anyone then.
the last 2 of 28, Wish I could agree with gun control is the problem, but been to enough cities that banned guns ready to drop to the sidewalk at the sound of a pop.There seems to be a psychotropic drug correlation.
Andrew Engeldinger (2012) Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minn. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself. A police search of the home of Accent Signage Systems shooter Andrew Engeldinger found medications commonly prescribed for depression and insomnia, according to a Minneapolis Police Department report. Police found prescription bottles for two anti-depressant medications. Mirtazapine and Trazodone, and for Temazepam, a medication used to treat insomnia, in Engeldinger’s home. They also found many empty prescription bottles, including 18 empty prescription bottles for a generic form of the anti-depressant drug Wellbutrin. According to the police report, all of the prescriptions bottles bore Engeldinger’s name.
Adam Lanza (2012) On Friday morning, 27 people were reportedly shot and killed at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Conn. According to sources, 18 of these casualties were children. New York Magazine wrote a piece about shooter Adam Lanza’s supposed “aspergers” syndrome. Inside the piece though, they report Adam Lanza’s uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.
Can you imagine saying right now, that there should be no restrictions on weapons two hundred years and beyoun from now, then hold people to that promise to perpetuity. How dumb would that be ? Fortunately, amendments were allowed less you think,our founding fathers were equally dumb..
Thomas Jefferson firmly believed that the constitution should be thrown out every 19 years and a new one written. He believed (and rightly so) that the country changes over time and that the government must change with it.