Can you find one anymore that does not have both I have bought three in the last 20 yr’s and it was either both or nothing.
We had to order ours to get the black stainless and it was an option to order or not. If you just go into the store you are at the mercy of what they have on hand.
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Thank you that is what we did went to the store and the only options they had was a color choice that was no problem as we wanted a white one that every store seemed to have plus as volvo said it is nice to have cold and filtered drinking water.
What do you drink? 
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I can tell you that I have never once had a sunroof, moonroof, power windows, power door locks, power drivers seat, immobilizer system, car alarm, or touchscreen display ever go bad on any of my vehicles…Mainly because I never buy vehicles with any of these features.
How many posts do we get here about people unable to drive their own car because of a malfunctioning security system? How many posts do we get here about malfunctioning touchscreen displays, occupant weight sensors, turbochargers, VVT solenoids, etc and the big bucks quoted to fix them? Pretty hard for that stuff to break on a car which does not have it to begin with.
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And the list of new cars that you would buy?
I wouldn’t purposely avoid most of what you listed…except a sunroof.
I do find some things like heated steering wheels and massaging seats a little over the top, though. But, it’s not my money spent, so whatever people want to spend theirs on is ok by me.
Coffee. Ten character minimum.
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The nectar of the Gods in the AM I don’t know how some people get to be bright eyed and bushy tailed without it.
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This is a trick question, right???
Sure!
Costco currently has an LG French Door Bottom Freezer stainless steel fridge without a water dispenser for a hair under $2k. I’m not sure whether it has an ice-maker.
Have you lived through the good-old-days? Have you owned cars from the good-old-days? I have. And many people here have also. Cars these days are several magnitudes more reliable then cars 40+ years ago. I don’t have to replace points and condenser every 30k miles. I don’t have to replace radiator fluid every year. I don’t have to replace oil/filter every 3k miles. I don’t have to have a glove-box full of ballast resistors in my glove box for my Chryco car. I don’t have to change my fuel filters every…I don’t have to spend time rebuilding carbs because I forgot to change the fuel filter. I’ll put a modern day car reliability against the best 40+ year old vehicle any day.
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Sure would like to see a comment from the guy that wanted to convert hydraulic brakes to mechanical.
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That sounds like a great deal when you leave out the sizable initial payment you make each time you sign a new lease.
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Absolutely! My girlfriend’s refrigerator has an icemaker that dispenses through the door. The large plastic corkscrew blade that rotates to push ice into the chute broke, so now she has to reach into the icemaker with her hand to get ice until she can afford to fix it.
My fridge doesn’t have the fancy chute, just a bin in the freezer that catches the ice when it pops out of the icemaker. I keep a scoop on top of the fridge so I don’t have to reach in with my hands.
There is an advantage in this design. If you only replace the motor and compressor, you’re left stuck with the old poorly-insulated unit. When you upgrade your complete refrigerator, you get a more efficient and more reliable machine.
Even beyond the reliability, you don’t have to futz with a choke when you start the car in the morning. You don’t have to adjust the carburetor when you make a significant elevation change. You don’t have to set aside time almost every weekend to do some sort of task with the car. You don’t have to replace the tires nearly as often as you did in the bias-ply days. You don’t have to lubricate a bunch of stuff in between oil changes, which by the way are much less frequent now.
Add on top of that the enhanced safety. We no longer have to worry about the steering column spearing us through the heart if we hit something. Whiplash from being rear-ended is much less frequent thanks to modern headrest design. Crumple zones and other crash injury mitigation systems mean we are walking away nearly unscathed from wrecks that would have killed us 50 years ago. Crash avoidance systems are in many cases preventing those wrecks in the first place.
Heck, I remember back when I was a TV newsgeek, I covered a tragic story where a local politician killed his grandchild. Kid popped behind the car while granddad was getting in. Guy had no idea the kid was back there until he backed up and felt the bump. That’s much less likely to happen today because new cars have backup cameras that reveal kids close to the bumper that you’d never see out the window.
Well beyond the repair and maintenance, I’ll take a modern car just for the safety factor - mine and others’ - alone.
But you still have to reach in. She can reach in until she decides to spend the money to fix the problem. If you want to stop reaching in, you have to buy a new refrigerator.
Everything we buy comes with the possibility of breakage. “If I buy that twist-handle ratchet that’s just one more connection in the ratchet that can break.” Yeah, that’s true, but you also get a twist handle ratchet which comes in really handy when you’re working in a confined engine bay.
The reducto-ad-absurdum of these arguments is that we should go back to just whacking on things with rocks because anything more complex has more components to break. Ovens break, let’s just go back to cooking our food over an open fire. Refrigerators break, let’s can everything. Cars break, let’s walk. Personally, I like living in the future (at least from a technological standpoint). And I’m certainly not going to deprive myself of those conveniences because they might break.
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I have the room to reach in with a scoop, keeping the ice sanitary. She has to reach in with her hand, which if fine as long as she’s only serving herself drinks, but doesn’t bode well for serving guests.
And when your automatic ice maker breaks, you’ll have to go out and buy ice trays and make ice the old fashioned way. You should get rid of that janky newfangled technology! Better yet, build yourself a heavily insulated shed, cut big blocks of ice out of a lake in the winter, pack 'em in the shed with sawdust, and you don’t even have to pay for the electricity to have ice! That’s how we used to do it before all these fancy schmancy machines made us so indolent! 
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I still have those old ice trays. They come in handy when I want iced coffee that doesn’t water itself down. 
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Is there a site for Luddites on this Forum ?
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