I think we can usually agree that everyone has their own taste in cars and styles, and tires, and oil, etc. that’s why there are so many choices. Hard for one person to decide for the next.
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Read–again–what I posted.
I stated that French Indochina was an “old name” for Vietnam. I am well aware that it wasn’t the “original” name for that nation.
The name Annam predated the French colonialism period by several hundred years. Prior to Annam, that part of SE Asia was called by various other names, including Dai Ngu and Van Xuan, to name just a couple of its ancient names.
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Pretty common by the reports here. Presumably the manufacturer decides which tires to install on their new cars. Say you held the position of a product-configuration manager at an automobile manufacturer. How would you prioritize these factors when deciding which tires to equip the new cars with?
- Less expensive tires, but still provide a comfy test-drive experience?
- More expensive tires, tread is long-lasting?
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Whatever they called it, JFK planned to pull out and also break up the CIA, much to the shagrin of the military folks. But I was only in 10th grade then so not exactly well informed. After 60 years we should try and just evaluate him honestly. Not the best and not the worst in our history but maybe was over the target as they say.
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I decided the best way I had to remember the 1963 event was to re-watch the first Doctor Who episode , “An Unearthly child”. It was first aired on the very same day, November 22, 1963.
I was in English class and we only got four channels on tv. A friend read everything so we’d get the lo down walking downtown for a coke after school.
Many car mfgs collaborate with one or more tire companies to provide a tire that will showcase either a car’s ride or handling characteristics, or both.
I for one will never know how my Eighth Gen. 2010 Honda Accord was “intended to drive” because the tire Honda speced for it - Michelin Pilot HX mxm4 - has been discontinued for some time now. I think Primacy MXM4 is the direct successor tire.
I bet I can show you with a set of Bridgestone Turanza Quiettrack’s on a dry or very wet road course how your Honda was intended to be driven…
I bet Mustangman could pick a few all season tires and do the same thing… lol
The original Turanza Serenity tires were made to out handle the MXV4’s and did it well in the rain… With the same BMW, I could get the back end loose (fishtailing or drifting) in a 90 degree corner after driving through standing water easily, but could not push the BMW hard enough on the short closed course to break the Turanza’s loose at all, and I tried very hard…
Ah … Mmmm … It doesn’t work that way!
Long version: Barry’s Tire Tech: OE Tires
Short version: Each car manufacturer writes their own tire specs - and they are not at all like what the consumer wants! The car manufacturers are very interested in fuel economy, because that sells cars! To get good fuel economy out of tires, wear and traction have to be sacrificed!
Consumers are much more interested in good wear and traction.
So every OE tire has a deficiency in the consumer’s eyes with regard to wear/traction. It’s a balancing act - how far to go in sacrificing wear/traction - and it is not uncommon for an OEM to get this wrong!
Plus every OE tire is unique. There is no consistency, even within a particular car manufacturer. The name on the sidewall is no indication that the tires are in any way alike. Remember the tread rubber is always black, so you can’t look at a tire and tell - except there is usually some sort of marking that indicates who the tire was intended for. GM uses a TPC spec number than is printed on the sidewall. BMW uses a star. etc.
And it isn’t a case of cost, either. The tire manufacturers have a really good idea of how much the tire is going to cost before the final price is set. The process takes about 2 years - plenty of time to fix the cost!
The price the OEM’s pay for tires is low because they buy thousands, all delivered to the same place on a steady basis for 2 or 3 years! It’s easy to set up a manufacturing process if you know all those things!
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Thanks, definitely interesting to hear the opinion of the forum’s tire expert. If cost isn’t the main factor it seems like the choice would be a tire with both good mpg ratings and good traction/life. Or aren’t there any good traction/life tires available that deliver the same mpg?
The biggest fuel economy differentiator, more than even the type/size of car one drives, or summer performance vs LRR(low-rolling resistance) tires, is…
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How one drives.
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Every vehicle I’ve bought new…the OEM tires didn’t get any better gas mileage then the aftermarket tires I bought. So the manufacturer must be doing a real lousy job in designing these tires. I keep meticulous records. I record every single fill-up with gallons used, price and mileage. Every repair and cost. Never have I seen a gas mileage decrease when buying non OEM tires (what-ever they are). And in some cases my gas mileage slightly increased (.25mpg).
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Of course driving style matters, but I get much better mpgs in my hybrid than I did in my Suburban.
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There aren’t, but even worse is that if such an animal existed, the OEM’s would just push the envelope. They’ve done this many times before!
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