We have a 2009 Saturn Outlook with an HFV6 engine, which currently has 180K miles on it. Recently the car suddenly failed, showing the following messages: “Service Stabilitrak” “Service Traction Control” “Service Brake System” “Stabilitrack Off” “Traction Control Off” “Engine Power Reduced” T…

All of those warnings came from the stability control/ABS computer and were sent to the driver’s info center. NONE of them have anything to do with the timing chain or the ECU that controls the engine. They do communicate with the engine computer and have told it really bed stuff has happened and to…

I too question the timing chain as being the cause of the Stabilitrak and brake system warnings. Does the engine start and run? Also, how do you know that the ECM has not been done? The ECM update did address timing chain failure. Specifically, the lower timing gear on early 3.6 engines was wearin…

Good post @asemaster Now I know how and ECM can affect timing chain life, interesting. It would seem reasonable to just flash a new interval to the ECU to fix that but maybe it’s hard coded in the firmware and this ECM can’t be updated.

Do you have a sunroof? Is there water on the driver’s floor?

[image] asemaster: with lack of proper lubrication from extended oil change intervals. This comment is worth emphasizing. While in this case the too-long oil change interval was specified by the manufacturer, and the 180K is considered high mileage, lack of maintaining fresh oil or allowing t…

[image] asemaster: The ECM update did address timing chain failure. Specifically, the lower timing gear on early 3.6 engines was wearing prematurely due to weak metal composition of the gear combined with lack of proper lubrication from extended oil change intervals. The ECM update changed the a…

[image] Mustangman: A scan should tell the mechanic where to look. Why didn’t the dealer mention anything about this? Or is THAT the ECM, not the engine ECM, being replaced? According to them, it can be reprogrammed. It’s not a one-time programmable module.

[image] NYBo: Do you have a sunroof?Is there water on the driver’s floor? Yes, we have a moonroof No water on the floor though

[image] asemaster: I too question the timing chain as being the cause of the Stabilitrak and brake system warnings. Does the engine start and run? Also, how do you know that the ECM has not been done? The ECM update did address timing chain failure. Specifically, the lower timing gear on early…

perhaps you could list the oil change intervals for your car? ie, actual mileage/dates?

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