@db4690, That’s what I thought. Thanks!
Good luck!
Hi @db4690,
I replaced the middle (of 3) coils and the two spark plugs it serves (spark plugs could probably have been reused but I wanted to be sure to remove concerns with the plugs and focus on the coil). All issues see resolved, and the power I knew the car to have has resumed.
Many thanks to you and to the other folks who contributed in this thread!
By the way, I had an interesting experience with my order of coil, that is why it too so long to post. Remember I said I had already placed an order for the current Toyota coil #90080-19012? Well, they sent me #90919-02215 wrapped in a pack labeled #90080-19012. I called them back, and they tried to fool me that what they sent is the current coil while the one I wanted is the superseded one. Finally they agreed to send me the part I had ordered. Yet again, they sent me another of the same thing they had sent earlier. Then I went out to the local dealer and got me the right coil. I returned the wrong ones - fortunately I had receive a return label with the second one, and I will fight to the tooth not to have to pay a dime for nothing but frustration. Another good illustration of why it is best to make such purchases with a credit card. I have no doubt I will avoid shipping costs, which the seller insists I have to assume.
Unfortuneatly, getting the wrong part is pretty commonplace. At least for the shade tree mechanic. Pro’s may not have this occur as often, as they are repeat customers and get the parts vendor’s complete att’n. I’m a shade tree amateur, and have gotten wrong U-joints, wrong starter motors, wrong valve cover gasket sets, wrong starter selenoid contacts, wrong brake light switches, wrong fuel pump relays, etc. Pretty much any parts mistake that could be made, has been made, and I’ve been the recipient of all of them. lol … Not infrequently the box for the part will be labeled with the correct part number, but the part itself, in the box, isn’t actually that part. I think one souce of this problem is when the parts store employee is showing a prior customer the difference between the parts by taking them out of the boxes, then puts them back, but in the wrong boxes.
Good to hear you got this problem solved @Kimland. @db4690 was on the case. Good on him. Best of luck. Take care now.
Congratulations on fixing the car!
I’m glad to hear that you were persistent.
When in doubt, it’s always best to insist on getting EXACTLY what you ordered.
@GeorgeSanJose, I am glad to be alerted with your broad experience with wrong parts. In this though, I don’t think it is an innocent mistake. Toyota retired coil part #90919-02215 and started using #90080-19012. Whoever buys these parts from the manufacturer, for the reseller I dealt with, knows this (their database has a clear statement that #90919-02215 has been replaced by #90080-19012). Interestingly they even assure the buyer that if a part has been replaced, they will send the new part (so there is a clear policy that their purchasing personnel would be considering when making their purchases).
I am not sure why they are doing such a bad business, but it seems to me that they are buying the outdated part at nothing and trying to pass it along to customers for the real thing. They even tried to deceive me that Toyota had reversed its priority of the parts and hence retired the modified part for the first … shameless liars!
They know that if you put the superseded part in your car, the car will run fine until the problem that led to retirement of part comes your way. By then you will most likely be out of any warranties, and they will have kept a fat margin. Terrible business, when you think beyond that one sale! Obviously I will never buy from this business again.
@Kimland, sorry you are having this difficulty w/Toyota. What you say makes sense to me.
I don’t have experience w/your particular problem, but I didn one time have a something similar happen. Not an accident in other words, but a sort of devious behaviour from a dealership. Back in the 80’s I had a car (not a Toyota) where the fuel pump stopped working. I thought the FP relay had burned out. But it turned out there was a recall, it was happening all over, and the problem was that the relay plate (the thing you plug the relay into) was underdesigned couldn’t handle the pump current, and that was the problem. Rather than replacing the relay plate, the TSB procedure was to bypass around the relay plate with jumper wires soldered to the fuel pump leads. But when the dealership shop did this, they jumpered it wrong, which caused the relay to short out and always be on as long as the key was in the “on” position. So if you were listening to the radio with the engine turned off the fuel pump was on and the battery would go dead. When I pulled the relay myself, I noticed they had hooked it up wrong, and that the relay was partially melted! So I took the car back to the dealership the next day, and told them it needed to be redone. The manager said “no way could we have done it wrong!”. But I left the car there anyway and asked him to have the techs double check. When I came back later, I asked him if he had the techs take a look at it. He said “Yes, and they didn’t find any problem, here’s your keys”. So before I left the dealership I pulled the relay, and lo and behold, it was entirely different. Brand new, not melted, and the jumper wiring was now changed to the correct version. So I went back to the office and showed the manager. He said “oh, you must just not be remembering correctly” … lol
I suppose the dealership didn’t want to have that “strike” on the record
@GeorgeSanJose, “You must just not be remembering correctly” Lol, indeed!
Well, about all I can say is that somebody there certainly wasn’t telling the truth. It might have been the manager, but it also might have been the tech, who was embarrassed on finding out he made a mistake in the original re-work, causing the relay to melt, so he quietly fixed it, installing a new relay and fixing the wiring, but then he told his manager there was nothing wrong w/his original work. The tech would have an incentive to do such a thing.
I like this thread. A real credit to Cartalk. People helped and helped again and OP eventually got the job done. Good job, everyone!