# What does "per se dui" mean?

**URL:** <https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391>\
**Category:** The Show\
**Created:** [February 16, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391 "2024-02-16T21:22:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391/1 "2024-02-16T21:22:46Z")

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Recent podcasts feature a light-hearted listener-letter about the electric-brake controversy; i.e. can two people know less than one? … lol … Tom seems to be taken by the use of that phrase, but I have no idea what it means. Anybody know? It may not actually be “per se dui”, just sounds like that to me.

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**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/30_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391/2 "2024-02-16T21:26:54Z")

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Is it possible that Tom was suggesting that someone was intoxicated?

> **[What “Per Se” DUI Means](https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-is-a-per-se-dui.html)**
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> DUI charges based on the amount of drugs or alcohol in the driver's system rather than actual impairment or intoxication

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**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391/3 "2024-02-16T21:35:47Z")

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Could be. But intoxication doesn’t seem much related to the letter’s basic theme. I thought it was more along the lines of “OMG!!!”.

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**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391/4 "2024-02-16T22:24:35Z")

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The Andy letter

Definition to “pas-de-deux” is what @George_San_Jose1 is looking for

[https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/andy-letter-0](https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/andy-letter-0)

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**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/what-does-per-se-dui-mean/194391/5 "2024-02-16T22:36:42Z")

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> [@It\_s-Me](#):
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> pas-de-deux

Tom would crack up over this part: “a veritable pas-de-deux of breathtaking speculation” … lol … very funny segment!