# Vehicle safety requirements needed for pedestrian/bicycle safety? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2023, 9:29pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100 "2023-09-27T21:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/21 "2023-09-29T16:36:47Z")
I seriously doubt if any type of safety modifications to vehicles could prevent accidents like this one. One more insane person? Someone with a death wish? Thankfully, the motorist was found to be blameless. > **[E-bicyclist killed on N.J. road is ID’d by police](https://www.nj.com/ocean/2023/09/e-bicyclist-killed-on-nj-road-is-idd-by-police.html)** > > The 33-year-old was hit by a car in Toms River after turning into traffic, police said. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/22 "2023-09-29T19:11:16Z")
The law of unintended consequences. Push bike riding. Create bike lanes on road ways. Become surprised that more bikes get hit by vehicles. In downtown Minneapolis they even created bike lanes between the curb and parked cars cautioning people to watch for bikes before opening doors. Might not be madness but getting close. ---
**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/23 "2023-09-29T20:47:26Z")
Soon all cars may have this. **Pre-Collision System With Pedestrian Detection**.Supposedly stops the car. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/24 "2023-09-29T20:53:44Z")
hmmm … if it is effective at reducing pedestrian and cycling deaths, maybe the gov’t safety officials will be forced to mandate that function be included on all new vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/25 "2023-09-29T21:03:29Z")
> [@VDCdriver](#): > > I seriously doubt if any type of safety modifications to vehicles could prevent accidents like this one. Nope. Hard to prevent that much stupid E bikes, electric scooter and similar are getting to be a big problem around me. I’ve clocked a few at 25 mph.. a scooter! And bikes even faster. They probably aren’t allowed to go that fast but there must be hacks to get around it. And they ride on the sidewalks on busy streets…at full speed. ---
**Author:** ![George\_San\_Jose1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e5b9ba/32.png) [@George\_San\_Jose1](https://community.cartalk.com/u/George_San_Jose1)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/26 "2023-09-29T21:08:43Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > And [electric] bikes even faster. They probably aren’t allowed to go that fast but there must be hacks to get around it. There was a news report this week about that very problem here. An out of proportion increase in the number of electric-bike injuries, owners hacking the speed control circuity is one reason. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/27 "2023-09-29T21:15:20Z")
> [@Barkydog](#): > > Supposedly stops the car It does. When I am backing out of my garage, if I get too close to a shrub, that system applies the brake, and as I have found when backing out of a parking space in a parking lot, if a pedestrian or a cyclist walks in back of my vehicle–despite the visual and auditory warnings–the brakes are applied. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 10:31pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/28 "2023-09-29T22:31:49Z")
> [@Mustangman](#): > > I’ve clocked a few at 25 mph… a scooter! > **[INMOTION RS | The World's Fastest Electric Scooter - INMOTION](https://inmotionworld.com/products/inmotion-rs?variant=43015947747506)** > > Experience the INMOTION RS, the world’s fastest e-scooter, with speeds up to 68mph and a 100-mile range. Conquer all terrains and revolutionize your commute! - 68 mph top speed - 100 miles of range ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/29 "2023-09-29T22:42:17Z")
Not the same type of scooter… a stand up scooter like a Razor scooter with a motor, like 10 year olds ride. Not a small motorcycle. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/30 "2023-09-29T22:53:37Z")
It is a stand up scooter ![Capture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/e/b/eb18154dee68d8e848af73040334493dd308d67d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/31 "2023-09-29T22:57:36Z")
It’s too hard to explain from this afternoon but kids riding their bikes are vehicles but walking their bikes they are pedestrians. I planned to stay stopped anyway until they were out of my way but a lady making a turn and halfway into the intersection stops, rolls her window diwn and waves them to proceed. So the two kids warily rode their bikes through the cross walk and the lady finally made her turn feeling good about herself even though she created a hazard. When you wave someone through, you assume all liability. ---
**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/32 "2023-09-29T23:19:26Z")
> [@It\_s-Me](#): > > It is a stand up scooter A 68 mph stand up scooter?? Who is the idiot that designed that? And where would you ride it? Without registration, lights, ect… ---
**Author:** ![sestivers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@sestivers](https://community.cartalk.com/u/sestivers)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/33 "2023-09-29T23:57:25Z")
> [@bing](#): > > Heh heh. I saw a biker down there extend their right arm to make a right turn and their left arm to make a left turn. They maybe were gone that day in grade school. I never missed a day. Usually they stayed in the compound though where they would be protected. Was it really that hard to figure out they were pointing to where they intended to go? Like exactly the same effect that a turn signal has on cars… it couldn’t be that hard to figure out that you can’t use the same hand indication in a car simply because you can’t reach your right arm out the passenger window. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/bing/32/4619_2.png) [@bing](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/34 "2023-09-30T00:27:24Z")
I knew where they were going and I wa# walking anyway. Thing is hand signals were used in cars before turn signal lights but for some reason people on bikes do developed something different. ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/35 "2023-09-30T14:13:26Z")
Let’s not forget about the problem of people who are texting while attempting to drive. In addition to endangering pedestrians and cyclists, they endanger every driver on the road–including themselves. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/6/a/6a7d44a264ad5181c1dc7bd6861780febd4c599e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![PintoKid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/pintokid/32/45996_2.png) [@PintoKid](https://community.cartalk.com/u/PintoKid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/36 "2023-09-30T20:22:41Z")
Very experienced cyclist here. My bike has roughly half the miles my car has (45,000). Where I live the cars are very respectful of the cyclists, maybe because we are all around 70 years old. I usually use my left arm to signal a right turn, but many times the cars will just wave back at me as if I was waving. I do agree that the fatality rate is probably more due to ignorant cyclists and pedestrians. ---
**Author:** ![bcohen2010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bcohen2010](https://community.cartalk.com/u/bcohen2010)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 2:16am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/37 "2023-10-01T02:16:26Z")
Is that a real photo, or did someone make that as a meme? Does the “Baker Casket Company” really exist? ---
**Author:** ![VDCdriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/vdcdriver/32/48514_2.png) [@VDCdriver](https://community.cartalk.com/u/VDCdriver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/38 "2023-10-01T12:10:43Z")
The text on the side of the truck appears to be photoshopped, but the text on the back of the truck looks genuine, at least to my eyes. But, it came from the internet, and as Abe Lincoln said, “You can’t believe everything that you see on the internet”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/39 "2023-10-01T20:49:47Z")
I say photoshopped. The seams at the folding parts of the rollup door don’t match. ![Capture](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/6/d/6d1fb3bc968a85a2e55097002ae9424c0a88afc8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![toprankkinen\_160921](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@toprankkinen\_160921](https://community.cartalk.com/u/toprankkinen_160921)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100/40 "2023-10-04T20:39:43Z")
Bing - “Heh heh. I saw a biker down there extend their right arm to make a right turn and their left arm to make a left turn.” I’m not sure what you find wrong with this. This is the standard way turn signals are taught. The use of the left arm to signal a right turn was invented for car drivers because it’s hard to reach out the right windows from the driver’s seat. [Previous page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.cartalk.com/t/vehicle-safety-requirements-needed-for-pedestrian-bicycle-safety/193100.md?page=3)