# Trying to figure out what I have... with a 12 digit vin

**URL:** <https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [January 6, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990 "2020-01-06T17:14:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![Cwillette3\_161753](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5daacb/32.png) [@Cwillette3\_161753](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cwillette3_161753)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/1 "2020-01-06T17:14:10Z")

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Pulled a delivery van from a property we’re cleaning. I can’t figure out what I have. There are no markings to identify the manufacturer. One sight told me it was a 61 Chevy step van, but when I search images nothing like it comes up. And it has a Cadillac motor. Anyone know what it could be?

 ![20200105_152815](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/original/3X/d/b/dbc50fe0e75a305f03d613bc3e4b81f28c1725c1.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![CapriRacer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/capriracer/32/22_2.png) [@CapriRacer](https://community.cartalk.com/u/CapriRacer)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/2 "2020-01-06T20:34:36Z")

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It’s a Grumman. Apparently yours was built on a Chevy or GMC chassis, hence the VIN.

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**Author:** ![Barkydog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/barkydog/32/2470_2.png) [@Barkydog](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Barkydog)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/3 "2020-01-06T21:03:18Z")

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**Author:** ![Mustangman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/mustangman/32/44130_2.png) [@Mustangman](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Mustangman)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/4 "2020-01-06T21:05:19Z")

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Having a Cadillac motor isn’t all that helpful since many, years have passed, many wrenches have turned and likely the motor has been swapped.

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**Author:** ![It\_s-Me](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/cartalk/user_avatar/community.cartalk.com/it_s-me/32/12660_2.png) [@It\_s-Me](https://community.cartalk.com/u/It_s-Me)\
**Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/5 "2020-01-07T00:09:47Z")

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> [@CapriRacer](#):
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> It’s a Grumman.

Or a Boyertown.

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**Author:** ![Cwillette3\_161753](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5daacb/32.png) [@Cwillette3\_161753](https://community.cartalk.com/u/Cwillette3_161753)\
**Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.cartalk.com/t/trying-to-figure-out-what-i-have-with-a-12-digit-vin/155990/6 "2020-01-07T17:30:38Z")

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Thanks! You’re the first one to give me that name. I was thrown off by the turn signals. Everything I’ve seen, they are flush with the body.